Social AI Could Wipe Out the Working Class | Sen. Bernie Sanders

[TeTe]

I doubt Bernie Sanders even understands what AI is. Its also a giant tech buzzword at this point that could mean multiple things. Is it a LLM? A video generator? More fear mongering at this point.

Exactly, a lot of automation is labeled "AI" these days too. Like you said, buzzword. I feel like a lot of this AI investment craze is part of a giant slush fund for large corporations these days to prop up their business. The market is being propped up by this bubble. Let's hope we don't go full 2000 .com failure.

Lets just hope the government lets natural selection take it course, instead of another tax payer bailout.

 

[F1980]

1980s was peak humanity

It's all downhill from then on out.

 

[lsa]

first they will replace the mods..
I for one cant wait

 

[Satsui Ryu]

Again this is not anything new. Robots have been doing the job of blue collar workers for decades now. You've probably seen the robots building cars in factories back in the 80s. The market evolves and new jobs are created. There may be jobs that will be extinct in 10 or 15 years, but there will be new ones that come along too. Many of them wil be AI related. You should look up the number of job openings in your area that AI related. AI engineering is a hot field right now.

Yes and since robotics and computers have become a major part of the workforce we have seen wage stagnation and many types of jobs simply go away. A huge concern these days is the erosion of the middle class and I have no doubt that technology plays a big part in that, amongst other things.

Regarding the increase in jobs, just because there are a lot of Ai jobs being created now does not mean it would result in net positive in the long run. If you create 5 Ai jobs that result in the loss of 10 jobs elsewhere in the future you've got a problem.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

first they will replace the mods..
I for one cant wait

Mod AI would ban everyone from here within 20 seconds.

 

[lsa]

Mod AI would ban everyone from here within 20 seconds.

still better than @Slobodan

 

[chardog]

Exactly, a lot of automation is labeled "AI" these days too. Like you said, buzzword. I feel like a lot of this AI investment craze is part of a giant slush fund for large corporations these days to prop up their business. The market is being propped up by this bubble. Let's hope we don't go full 2000 .com failure.

Lets just hope the government lets natural selection take it course, instead of another tax payer bailout.

and............. it's a bailout

 

[Son of Jamin]

Some hundred years ago, knocker-uppers went door to door to wake up workers.

Then the alarm clock was invented, and that profession disappeared.

Throughout history, new technologies have changed the course, but new professions have arisen.

 

[F1980]

Replace politicians with AI. And most government workers.

 

[TeTe]

Replace politicians with AI. And most government workers.

and CEOs

 

[HockeyBjj]

It’s definitely concerning. And it’s not about “blanket” AI taking jobs. But instead what used to take 1 senior person and 4 newer hires, can now be done by that 1 knowledgeable senior person with AI assisting them.

So then the new hires don’t gain the experience to become proficient enough at that profession and move up and keep the ladder/pyramid going.

 

[RemyR]

Working class?

Shit it's going to wipe us all out

 

[NickNick]

It’s definitely concerning. And it’s not about “blanket” AI taking jobs. But instead what used to take 1 senior person and 4 newer hires, can now be done by that 1 knowledgeable senior person with AI assisting them.

So then the new hires don’t gain the experience to become proficient enough at that profession and move up and keep the ladder/pyramid going.

My bet is it will start with the senior/experienced employees getting canned and being replaced with cheap, potentially outsourced, less experienced employees with AI assisting them.

 

[Why did you]

It is something to keep an eye on and regulate, especially the video generating.

 

[chardog]

My bet is it will start with the senior/experienced employees getting canned and being replaced with cheap, potentially outsourced, less experienced employees with AI assisting them.

Naw, doesn’t work that way, juniors have a problem grasping how the business works and at a high level, how to approach solve issues, it’s like ford trying to compete with tesla

This is what high level failure looks like:

 

[Gas121]

It's likely GG if you are in administrative admin roles.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I'm seeing it first hand. Couple friends lost their jobs due to the company wanting to focus use AI in their position.

 

[NickNick]

Naw, doesn’t work that way, juniors have a problem grasping how the business works and at a high level, how to approach solve issues, it’s like ford trying to compete with tesla

This is what high level failure looks like:

You are giving the higher ups that make these decisions far too much credit. In big companies these employees are an ID on a spreadsheet with a cost associated with them. If they can use AI tools to cut costs even if it means replacing experience and knowledge with lesser quality employees, they will. If they see a team of 5-6 sys admins that can be replaced by 2-3 people assisted by AI, they will. It's already happening now where I work with "automation".

 

[Alpha_T83]

I do agree that there is an issue here. Historically technology has always wiped out jobs, but the jobs that it creates stabilize the workforce. However, AI is going to start wiping out jobs like driving jobs -- when millions of North Americans start losing jobs to self driving taxis, trucks, etc. where are they going to work? A lot of the jobs being created now are in the service sector, often part time and/or with irregular hours, and in the very high tech sector which requires advanced degrees. A 50 year old truck driver isn't going to start working irregular hours for $12 an hour, and he can't become a software engineer at his age.

Ultimately this is the job of government to see these problems coming and find a solution for them.

And going forward 100-200 years, eventually AI and robotics will be able to replace most human jobs. What are we going to do in a future where humans aren't needed for work? How are the majority of people going to get money to ensure a reasonable quality of life? At that point, the masses go from a workforce for the elite, to an albatross of feeders that take up resources. We could easily see the elite class of society close ranks and service each other with their robots, leaving the masses to fend for themselves.

These aren't easy problems to solve.

 

[plataoplombo]

Eh, if you work in IT like I do you would be thinking differently. The massive steps it has taken over the last 5 years is wild. A LOT of IT jobs are going to disappear or be minimized down to a few people behind a AI chat bot in the next 5-10 years. It needs to be regulated ASAP, but that ain't happening under this administration.

So much this. I was talking to a coworker earlier this week and mentioned that probably within 6mo I could figure out how to automate most of what SA's and NOC techs do. And that's just by having chatgpt do some python scripting and installing an ai agent on the system.

Now, would that actually work? Maybe...but not sure. But let's say it did. That's a lot of jobs, and good paying jobs at that, that would be lost.