Crime Ahmaud Arbery shooting v3

[LMP]

He is the victim of false arrest

*aggravated assault which is a felony. Making AA's death a felony murder.

 

[BEER]

Your need to argue you can discern "perfectly" what that motion was betrays your bias. This was near to when they were shouting for him to stop. Another explanation is that he was raising the hand to indicate that. Otherwise, watching the raw video posted by media bodies, which is also video I trust not to be manipulated, the movement there is so obscure the only acceptable conclusion once can draw from it is that one can't deduce what they're seeing, clearly, at all. When they come back into frame there still isn't any clear indication the weapons are being pointed at Arbery.

I wonder if this will become the central focus of jury arguments at the trial.

I believe he was aiming the gun, but it's not the crux of my argument in any way. The McMichaels' committed multiple crimes in the illegal pursuit of Arbery and Travis ended up killing him. That is a murder charge in the state of Georgia.

Arbery's only crime was trespassing in an unoccupied home.

 

[Project 2501]

I'm not picking sides or anything so dont take my comments as bias posting or anything, but those two guys' faces just scream scumbag for some reason.

 

[Madmick]

There were ditches to the right and he had been chased down for the last 4 minutes with vehicles and had been already running for who knows how long before then. Simply running off into the yard and continuing the footrace that had failed him wasn't some clear out.

Travis did run at Arbery. Travis is next to driver's side door of the truck in the lefthand lane. He sees Arbery try to evade them by going around the right side of the truck then Travis, brandishing a shotgun, runs at Arbery to cut him off. He didn't magically teleport from the left lane to directly in front of Arbery in the right lane. No one picked him up and moved Travis there. Travis didn't happen to be strolling that direction and bump in Arbery. He brandished a weapon, stood in the road to confront Arbery, and when Arbery tried to evade him the shooter ran at him to confront him with the gun.

You don't have to point the barrel of a shotgun at someone to threaten someone with it. That's a very basic thought.

You pull a gun on someone you don't have the right to use deadly force on you get slapped with something akin to assault. Chasing somone with a shotgun for 4 minutes, brandishing it to set up an armed road block the middle of the a public road, and then running straight towards a pedestrian shouting orders after they attempt to runaway from you while brandishing the shotgun is plenty for that charge.

Why don't you go try it? Next time you see suspect someone's committed a misdemeanor you post up in the middle of the road in front of them brandishing a shotgun and chase after them with it and see what kind of self-defense the law awards you. Man, you're really doubling down on terrible logic in this thread.

The fact he had been chased for the previous 4min is one of the those facts we've heard that helped form my outlook on what one would presume to be the state of mind of both parties.

Give up this preposterous argument that Arbery's pathing towards Travis was the only defensive route. It's absurd.

The attempt to use indecipherable video to argue the guns were pointed at Arbery isn't the argument I suspect the prosecutors will hang their hat on. I think they'll argue what someone said in the final pages of the last thread. They'll argue that the brandishing of weapons combined with the pursuit entails a menacing demeanor, and therefore a "threatening manner". That's assuming the SB change to self-defense law is relevant at all for this final sequence. The McMichaels might not ever qualify based on precedent. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer in Georgia.

Yet the fact he was chased that long automatically disqualifies the 1st degree conviction. If there premeditated intent was to murder him, they wouldn't have waited for him to get close enough to grab a gun to shoot him. Furthermore, it indicates to me their honest belief they were attempting a citizen's arrest. They simply didn't have a lawful claim to justify their attempt. Yet, it demonstrates a state of mind bereft offensive intent. If there was intent was offensive they wouldn't have spent 4min pursuing him in order to detain him. They didn't batter him with the car. They blocked the road. Their actions all indicate an intent consistent with their statements to the police after the fact.

The question is whether from Arbery's point of view, in the moment, this is relevant enough to disqualify an assumption of threat per Georgia law.

I believe he was aiming the gun, but it's not the crux of my argument in any way. The McMichaels' committed multiple crimes in the illegal pursuit of Arbery and Travis ended up killing him. That is a murder charge in the state of Georgia.

Arbery's only crime was trespassing in an unoccupied home.

He killed him, yes. That's not necessarily murder.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

How can anyone even remotely try to justify the perps actions here? Unbelievable.

Throw the book at these fools, there's dudes already waiting for shower time with these 2 retards

 

[sickc0d3r]

There were ditches to the right and he had been chased down for the last 4 minutes with vehicles and had been already running for who knows how long before then. Simply running off into the yard and continuing the footrace that had failed him wasn't some clear out.

Travis did run at Arbery. Travis is next to driver's side door of the truck in the lefthand lane. He sees Arbery try to evade them by going around the right side of the truck then Travis, brandishing a shotgun, runs at Arbery to cut him off. He didn't magically teleport from the left lane to directly in front of Arbery in the right lane. No one picked him up and moved Travis there. Travis didn't happen to be strolling that direction and bump in Arbery. He brandished a weapon, stood in the road to confront Arbery, and when Arbery tried to evade him the shooter ran at him to confront him with the gun. I can't imagine much more you can do to make it any more clear to someone that you are a lethal threat.

You don't have to point the barrel of a shotgun at someone to threaten someone with it. That's a very basic thought.

You pull a gun on someone you don't have the right to use deadly force on you get slapped with something akin to assault. Chasing somone with a shotgun for 4 minutes, brandishing it to set up an armed road block the middle of the a public road, and then running straight towards a pedestrian shouting orders after they attempt to runaway from you while brandishing the shotgun is plenty for that charge.

Why don't you go try it? Next time you suspect someone's committed a misdemeanor you post up in the middle of the road in front of them brandishing a shotgun and chase after them with it and see what kind of self-defense the law awards you. Man, you're really doubling down on terrible logic in this thread.

That guy and others will never, ever address your last paragraph because they are well aware of how full of shit they are.

In terms of the footage, I think it’s a great observation that inbred advances towards Arbery when Arbery swerves around the Truck to avoid a shotgun wielding aggressor. I don’t know how anyone sees it any other way than assault and felony murder (based on the information we have) without an agenda.

 

[BEER]

He killed him, yes. That's not necessarily murder.

It is when there are crimes/felonies committed leading to the death.

Which is most certainly the case here.

 

[Madmick]

That guy and others will never, ever address your last paragraph because they are well aware of how full of shit they are.

In terms of the footage, I think it’s a great observation that inbred advances towards Arbery when Arbery swerves around the Truck to avoid a shotgun wielding aggressor. I don’t know how anyone sees it any other way than assault and felony murder (based on the information we have) without an agenda.

There's a palpable quality of vindictiveness to your posts.

 

[shockaholic12]

The fact he had been chased for the previous 4min is one of the those facts we've heard that helped form my outlook on what one would presume to be the state of mind of both parties.

Give up this preposterous argument that Arbery's pathing towards Travis was the only defensive route. It's absurd.

The attempt to use indecipherable video to argue the guns were pointed at Arbery isn't the argument I suspect the prosecutors will hang their hat on. I think they'll argue what someone said in the final pages of the last thread. They'll argue that the brandishing of weapons combined with the pursuit entails a menacing demeanor, and therefore a "threatening manner". That's assuming the SB change to self-defense law is relevant at all for this final sequence. The McMichaels might not ever qualify based on precedent. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer in Georgia.

Yet the fact he was chased that long automatically disqualifies the 1st degree conviction. If there premeditated intent was to murder him, they wouldn't have waited for him to get close enough to grab a gun to shoot him. Furthermore, it indicates to me their honest belief they were attempting a citizen's arrest. They simply didn't have a lawful claim to justify their attempt. Yet, it demonstrates a state of mind bereft offensive intent. If there was intent was offensive they wouldn't have spent 4min pursuing him in order to detain him. They didn't batter him with the car. They blocked the road. Their actions all indicate an intent consistent with their statements to the police after the fact.

The question is whether from Arbery's point of view, in the moment, this is relevant enough to disqualify an assumption of threat per Georgia law.

He killed him, yes. That's not necessarily murder.

I didn't say it was his only defensive path, I said there were no easy options at that point thanks to the shooter and posse cutting off as many exits as possible. You seem to think after re-watching the video a bunch and playing armchair quarterback from having all the time in the world to stare at your computer monitor and play it back that he could have gone this way or that but the dude was justified to feel panic and probably preoccupied trying to keep his eyes on the multiple armed dudes chasing him from multiple directions so hanging on that point is only a choice someone would make if they were arguing from a very weak position. Arbery by their own admission tried to evade them for 4 minutes and they did everything to stop him from being successful. Him having to give up that strategy after trying it again, and again, and again, was caused by their threatening and illegal actions.

They could have all the good intent in their small little brains they want up to the point they intended to set up an armed road block and intended to run down a pedestrian trying to escape them while brandishing a weapon because that's intending to threaten someone with a deadly weapon and assault and remotely not in the realm of a misdemeanor citizen's arrest.

And yea, stopping multiple trucks full of armed men in the middle of the road to try and block a pedestrian in is an offensive act towards them. In fact it's so offensive it's illegal. LOL at that being some neutral non-threat.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Hey guys ima just drop this here and wait for Madmick or whatever the mods name is to respond. Again, like ive said for the entire two threads as a Republican who supports people's rights, these two are FUCKED.

Anyone want to tell me what they see?



The guy filming should be charged as well, he literally focuses away as soon as he sees the son point the shotgun at Ahmaud.

I don't see it The guy was probably just worried that if a shot misses he could get hit. Wouldn't read into it more than that.

 

[blaseblah]

The fact he had been chased for the previous 4min is one of the those facts we've heard that helped form my outlook on what one would presume to be the state of mind of both parties.

Give up this preposterous argument that Arbery's pathing towards Travis was the only defensive route. It's absurd.

The attempt to use indecipherable video to argue the guns were pointed at Arbery isn't the argument I suspect the prosecutors will hang their hat on. I think they'll argue what someone said in the final pages of the last thread. They'll argue that the brandishing of weapons combined with the pursuit entails a menacing demeanor, and therefore a "threatening manner". That's assuming the SB change to self-defense law is relevant at all for this final sequence. The McMichaels might not ever qualify based on precedent. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer in Georgia.

Yet the fact he was chased that long automatically disqualifies the 1st degree conviction. If there premeditated intent was to murder him, they wouldn't have waited for him to get close enough to grab a gun to shoot him. Furthermore, it indicates to me their honest belief they were attempting a citizen's arrest. They simply didn't have a lawful claim to justify their attempt. Yet, it demonstrates a state of mind bereft offensive intent. If there was intent was offensive they wouldn't have spent 4min pursuing him in order to detain him. They didn't batter him with the car. They blocked the road. Their actions all indicate an intent consistent with their statements to the police after the fact.

The question is whether from Arbery's point of view, in the moment, this is relevant enough to disqualify an assumption of threat per Georgia law.

He killed him, yes. That's not necessarily murder.

When it comes to felony murder it doesn't matter whether it was premeditated. If a felony was committed that led to the killing it's murder, regardless of intent.

 

[all caps]

Gee this conveniently timed release should make things better.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Gee this conveniently timed release should make things better.

That pigs voice jumped up an octave or two when that taser didn't work lol.

 

[BEER]

Gee this conveniently timed release should make things better.

This is an embarrassment of a smear attempt. Ahmaud was clearly agitated that he was being profiled. He had no weapons, no drugs, and refused a search. He was agitated but ultimately complied with police up until they wanted to search his car for no reason.

 

[LMP]

Gee this conveniently timed release should make things better.

The man was just enjoying his one day off, and mother fuckers are trying to taze him.

 

[Madmick]

I didn't say it was his only defensive path, I said there were no easy options at that point thanks to the shooter and posse cutting off as many exits as possible. You seem to think after re-watching the video a bunch and playing armchair quarterback from having all the time in the world to stare at your computer monitor and play it back that he could have gone this way or that but the dude was justified to feel panic and probably preoccupied trying to keep his eyes on the multiple armed dudes chasing him from multiple directions so hanging on that point is only a choice someone would make if they were arguing from a very weak position. Arbery by their own admission tried to evade them for 4 minutes and they did everything to stop him from being successful. Him having to give up that strategy after trying it again, and again, and again, was caused by their threatening and illegal actions.

They could have all the good intent in their small little brains they want up to the point they intended to set up an armed road block and intended to run down a pedestrian trying to escape them while brandishing a weapon because that's intending to threaten someone with a deadly weapon and assault and remotely not in the realm of a misdemeanor citizen's arrest.

And yea, stopping multiple trucks full of armed men in the middle of the road to try and block a pedestrian in is an offensive act towards them. In fact it's so offensive it's illegal. LOL at that being some neutral non-threat.

Your attempt to justify his aggressive initiation of battery on an armed man as self-defense is illogical. The choice to attack was not his only option. The assumption that they intended to harm him by shooting him is contradicted by the very fact they spent 4min doing exactly the opposite.

I would be interested to see precedent of armed men blocking impeding someone's movement prosecuted as aggravated assault. That's what you should be looking to find.

Gee this conveniently timed release should make things better.

I don't understand why you say "conveniently timed". It makes sense that people are looking into Arbery's history.

It's hard not to be sympathetic to Arbery in this clip. The cops were excessively defensive.

 

[LMP]

@Madmick has been trolling this thread hard, lol.

 

[computer fogie]

Gee this conveniently timed release should make things better.

What is convenient about the timing, and how do you think this will make anything better?

 

[Madmick]

This is an embarrassment of a smear attempt. Ahmaud was clearly agitated that he was being profiled. He had no weapons, no drugs, and refused a search. He was agitated but ultimately complied with police up until they wanted to search his car for no reason.

The cops don't look good, and he is within his rights to deny them a search of his car without a warrant, but his maneuver to physically block access to his car also suggests an underlying, defensive, psychological panic.

It suggests to me there was something in the car he didn't want them to find. Of course, my first assumption would be marijuana. I don't think it's legal in Georgia. This doesn't entail that he was trafficking. I'm from California, so if a guy is out in the park smoking a joint and rapping, I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[brody_in_ga]

How can anyone even remotely try to justify the perps actions here? Unbelievable.

Throw the book at these fools, there's dudes already waiting for shower time with these 2 retards

So let me get this straight... In your attempt to be anti-racist, you post a prison photo of black men, whom you imply are eagerly awaiting the chance to beat and rape two white men...? You lefties are something special...