aggressiveness in bjj sparring bad???

[Tom Hishon]

Dude, just take your time and learn jiu-jitsu. Leave your ego at home and earn their respect on the mat.

 

[fedor4life]

Dude, just take your time and learn jiu-jitsu. Leave your ego at home and earn their respect on the mat.

i will do this, but maybe u should leave your ego at home as well...i just read that u punched some kid in the face during bjj practice in another thread...hahahahah...looks like u probably have more of an ego than me

 

[Striderx5]

well Ive rolled with a lot of aggressive people in my tyme...and what works best is not doing anything and wait it out...helio style.

 

[VampireMonk]

I have to freakin agree, Helio style is the best.

 

[thewaterchapter]

i will do this, but maybe u should leave your ego at home as well...i just read that u punched some kid in the face during bjj practice in another thread...hahahahah...looks like u probably have more of an ego than me

hahaha i have to give this one to fedor. great post man! hahahaha

 

[Aussie_MMA_Fan]

well my first injury last week from a spazzin white belt, charged at me like a bull at the gate..i took him in my guard and tried to cool things down..i saw an opportunity went for a triangle, he freaked flipped himself around..some how he flipped me over on top of him with my foot still over his head and crushing my foot under both our weights..hello mr fractured talus :icon_sad:

I'm white belt as well, but maybe me being a bit older..common sense tells me to train sensibely.

 

[Darth Shlong]

see it all the time. guys that have the potential to be real good but gas out in 2 minutes because they panic in bad positions. just relax. when in a bad position, dont worry. fuck it. work on the escape. soon enough youll realize the position isntto be feared but rather your sub defense from that position.
feel out what hes trying to do. hes gotta try something. if you can sweep, dont worry. defend defend defend. work on your game no matter what the situation.
dont just say shit, im mounted what now? drill and trust your training.

 

[Jimmy Cerra]

From an article on The obligation of the student...

When reaching their full potential a student must believe their instructor to some end. They must obtain a certain level of confidence in what is being presented to them. In this line of thinking comes the best example of a students responsibilities to themselves: The over exaggeration of attributes, to gain positions that are desirable in Jiu-Jitsu, hinders the student from the realization of technique and what can be accomplished by being technical. At one time or another I have reinforced the importance of technique versus size and strength. I have reiterated time and time again that relaxing in Jiu-Jitsu is one of the most important things you can learn. To some it is a matter of succumbing to the natural components of the situation that makes the path toward technique an easy one to tread. For example, lacking in size tends to force one in the direction of technique versus in that of attributes. If one is lacking in size all they have left is technique to even the odds.

For the most part I have found that the ego plays a great role in this hindrance. I have had some personnel experience with this as well so I am going to continue as if it is correct. With the ego it is sometimes too much for one to handle that someone of equal or smaller size could stand a chance against them. When a student is put into this situation they react naturally, with aggression and strength. The student here may feel that he is learning but actually thwarts their potential by replacing technique with that of attributes to prove a point. In the end this type of thinking replaces logic and becomes their learning process.

Another example of the ego taking control of a student is the fact that in many cases the strength and aggression used in training sometimes may work. And there is a sense of accomplishment that naturally comes with that. We all want to feel like we are making gains in our Jiu-Jitsu training. And when we see quick results we tend to believe that whatever got me to this position must be the “right” way. In this case there must be an interruption in this rationale. The obvious answer to this is that a position gained with attributes should not be celebrated. The reasoning here is simple. If a position is gained without the technical ability to obtain it then it was forced and would generally not work on someone of equal or larger size. This is also explained in more detail when considering escapes that focus on strength as a means to accomplish the technique. In this case there is a tendency to believe that “powering out of a technique” is proper, and may seem so, but when attempted on a more advanced level student the result may be drastically different.

Dave Camarillo was (is?) a member of the US Olympic Judo Team and is a very high level Judoka and BJJer.

 

[MORIBUND88]

Aggress means "to stike first", so if you wanna be aggressive...go ahead...don't be an ass...no definition necessary

 

[yodave]

There is a huge difference between the atmosphere in a wrestling team and a bjj club. The main difference beeing that in wrestling the more intensity the better.

In wrestling if you are seen as not tought enought they see you as a pussy. This is because wrestling is praticed in high schools and colleges where its all about competition. Its also the 'whatever it takes' attitude that american tought guys are know for.

In BJJ its a familly oriented approach. They are looking to attract ordinary folks that want to learn self-defense. It has more of a TMA non volience approach to it. If you are aggressive in this environment you are seen as an asshole.

Many wrestlers that switch to a bjj background do not realise this difference until its too late.

 

[Calibur]

Whoa!

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[GoingTurbo]

Try really hard with guys better than you; Let worse guys work their stuff with you with mild resistance.

But if they make eye contact...break them

 

[Vladameer]

theres a guy at the place i train, and hes constantly going full power trying to tap me. its as if hes trying to prove a point like "oh im better than you" but he never actually submits me, just causes exessive pain when he fails something.

this guy is a flaming ball sack. dont be too aggressive

 

[fourfif**]

03-14-2006 was the last post before today. yowza.

 

[Dubious Dom]

Night of the Living Thread up in here.

 

[Shogunfan1979]

ok fedor, this explains it all. now go get a pen and paper out and write these words down.

theres a fine, i mean HUGE, difference between being aggressive and being an asshole whitebelt spaz. the difference lies in experience. if you know BJJ and have mastered a lot of techniques (both sub and positioning), then you can up your aggressiveness a little.. and yes, bring it to a level of competition. but if you dont know shit about BJJ and spaz the hell out, using all your muscle.. then youre only hurting yourself. let me explain even more.

you dont realize that the more muscle you use, the less technique youre using. if this continues, then you simply lose ALL proper elements of that technique. so yea, you might be tapping other white belts now, but in a couple months.. youll stay at the same level, and those white belts will own you. (see wes sims vs frank mir; and yes, youre essentially wes 'the spaz' sims).

so no, its not that BJJ guys are "lazy." the word youre looking for is "smart." theyre absorbing the technique using the least amount of muscle possible... so once the technique is mastered, then, AND ONLY THEN, should you reintroduce your 'muscle' and aggressiveness to the technique. therefore, being an unstoppable force. this is evident, by how most BJJ masters typically opt for cardio over lifting. (you dont need much strength).

so fedor, if youre pissing a lot of people off at class.. then you shouldnt be training BJJ. the absolute WORST new members of BJJ are the guys who spaz out and play tough guy instead of learning the acutal moves and take some notes.

This is a winner

 

[DaRuckus337]

There is a huge difference between the atmosphere in a wrestling team and a bjj club. The main difference beeing that in wrestling the more intensity the better.

In wrestling if you are seen as not tought enought they see you as a pussy. This is because wrestling is praticed in high schools and colleges where its all about competition. Its also the 'whatever it takes' attitude that american tought guys are know for.

In BJJ its a familly oriented approach. They are looking to attract ordinary folks that want to learn self-defense. It has more of a TMA non volience approach to it. If you are aggressive in this environment you are seen as an asshole.

Many wrestlers that switch to a bjj background do not realise this difference until its too late.

Resurrecting a 5 year old thread to say nothing of importance about two sports you apparently don't know much about in the first place. Interesting approach.

 

[Uchi Mata]

I think you have to know your opponent. If he's an athletic, skilled guy about your size who takes BJJ seriously, then go as hard as you want. If he' smaller, older, hobbyist, in terrible shape, etc, then it's an opportunity to work on technique. When I roll with guys 100 lbs less than me, I don't use a lot of strength, or go as fast. When I roll with my teacher, I basically go as fast and hard as I can without hurting anyone.

 

[DrKimura]

I think you have to know your opponent. If he's an athletic, skilled guy about your size who takes BJJ seriously, then go as hard as you want. If he' smaller, older, hobbyist, in terrible shape, etc, then it's an opportunity to work on technique. When I roll with guys 100 lbs less than me, I don't use a lot of strength, or go as fast. When I roll with my teacher, I basically go as fast and hard as I can without hurting anyone.

I agree with this. Although I generally find myself working the most against guys my level, usually when I roll against brown/blackbelts I find they elevate my game and it turns a lot more technical.

I think both are good, you want to roll and learn techniques and not just constantly try and kill each other, but you also don't want to be one of those guys at your club who never wants to roll hard and gets completely creamed at comps because they aren't used to the intensity.

Personally, one of the main attractions of BJJ for me is the fact that you can pretty much train 100% intensity day in day out.

 

[Cardio]

I really don't get the issue. To me, there's

1. Learning a technique

2. Static drilling

3. Increased resistance drilling

4. Flow training and soft training - to get warmed up, to work transitions and experiment. I also include higher belts going soft on lower belts in this category.

and then there's REAL SPARRING
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5. REAL SPARRING and POSITIONAL SPARRING is where you're actually trying to sweep, submit. You use, strength, technique, aggression, cardio.......... the goal is to WIN.

SERIOUSLY, IS THERE ANYTHING DIFFERENT??