After banning transgenders, Trump says America worships GOD not GOVERNMENT

[Jim Bob]

Why dont you become a Muslim then? Surely if you became a Muslim, you would know the greatness of Allah, right? all you need to do is put your faith in allah and Mohammed his messenger, right? Just have a little faith...........

Your religion of peace is a false religion my man! Have you read the Koran? If you have never read any books, what is the point of you're argument, because I didn't approach you with this discussion.

Do some reading, then we can have an intelligent discussion.

 

[76Knockout]

Lol Trump doesn't believe in god

 

[hillelslovak87]

Your religion of peace is a false religion my man! Have you read the Koran? If you have never read any books, what is the point of you're argument, because I didn't approach you with this discussion.

Do some reading, then we can have an intelligent discussion.

You said I would need to be a christian to understand the Bible and Christianity, whilst simply stating Islam is a false religion. This is hypocrisy, and that is why the argument from authority is nonsense. You really dont need to be a Muslim in order to assess the Quran, Hadith and see they are terribly wrong, and yet you claim that special right for yourself.

And besides, I was a true christian. I went on missions, did food bank work, etc etc for Christ, and this charity did nothing, absolutely nothing, to prove The bible right, or answer the questions I had as a child. God is not the author of confusion, so says the Bible, and yet you, the supposed follower of Christ, and a mere object of the creator, deny other people's ability to assess your book because they dont believe it's claims, whilst claiming to know God's will and design.

You are better than that.

 

[Jim Bob]

You said I would need to be a christian to understand the Bible and Christianity, whilst simply stating Islam is a false religion. This is hypocrisy, and that is why the argument from authority is nonsense. You really dont need to be a Muslim in order to assess the Quran, Hadith and see they are terribly wrong, and yet you claim that special right for yourself.

And besides, I was a true christian. I went on missions, did food bank work, etc etc for Christ, and this charity did nothing, absolutely nothing, to prove The bible right, or answer the questions I had as a child. God is not the author of confusion, so says the Bible, and yet you, the supposed follower of Christ, and a mere object of the creator, deny other people's ability to assess your book because they dont believe it's claims, whilst claiming to know God's will and design.

You are better than that.

Evidently, you didn't read my previous post that you are referencing.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Evidently, you didn't read my previous post that you are referencing.

Ive read the Quran and Bible probably half a dozen times each. Why do you still employ the argument from authority for your religion, yet deny this argument for another faith? Can you not see the hypocrisy?

 

[Buck Swope]

Ive read the Quran and Bible probably half a dozen times each. Why do you still employ the argument from authority for your religion, yet deny this argument for another faith? Can you not see the hypocrisy?

I appreciate your frustration but did you think the conversation would go in a different direction?

Religious folk have that "out". When they are cornered they can just say "It's because the bible says so". You cannot argue with that. It's impossible.

When you are arguing a point using critical thinking, however sound that argument is, they always have that out.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I appreciate your frustration but did you think the conversation would go in a different direction?

Religious folk have that "out". When they are cornered they can just say "It's because the bible says so". You cannot argue with that. It's impossible.

When you are arguing a point using critical thinking, however sound that argument is, they always have that out.

Weird, they always praise themselves for being honest, that is, right after they praise themselves for being humble, on a mission for the creator of the universe......

 

[Buck Swope]

Weird, they always praise themselves for being honest, that is, right after they praise themselves for being humble, on a mission for the creator of the universe......

Chicken or the egg question there. Honest, then humble? Humble, then honest?

 

[Space]

So your gimmick wants a president that pretends to be christian by saying stupid shit like "we worship god" while doing everything he can to explicitly work in the opposite direction of christian teachings?

Having grown up in the south, this seems about right. Genuine Christians aren't in any way interested in following their god. They are interested in acting in opposition to biblical teachings, while wrapping themselves in the cloth of righteousness of religion.

I could see why a gimmick account pretending to be a christian would pretend to be onboard with that.

"You're not really a Christian, you don't follow your own book which I have nothing but contempt for, checkmate bigot."

 

[KONE]

can a mod please let @lecter edit the thread title back to the US being a theocracy now

 

[colby25]

If God is "all powerful" then why does evil exist? Is he a sado-masochist?

And before you say he is "testing us" or gives us "free will", being all-powerful means he already knows what's going to happen, before the test, which makes it an exercise in futility - akin to breaking a dog's leg and then punishing him for limping.

He creates people that he "knows" will commit evil, and then he punishes them for it.

It really doesn't make any sense.

Think what happened before man was created. A 1/3 of the angels rebelled against God with Lucifer.

Man was then created... A lower, weaker being then angels with the choice of free will. Those who chose Christ will be the judges of these rebellious angels. We were created for God's glory. That He can do more with less, when less relies on God. We were created so Christ can demonstrate His love for us. Where He would step down from His kingdom to enter the world to give people like you, a opportunity for salvation, despite you and I being an enemy of God.

I once heard a story of a kid dropping his dad's flashlight down into a porter potty hole. The kid told the pastor and asked him how much is it worth to you? Essentially this is what Christ did for us... He came down and dwelt into the abyss cause He deemed you and I worth it. Fathom that love? Your mind cannot.

And before you say I was a Christian- no you weren't. In fact Christ called it before it occurred. You are the seed that was planted among the Rocky soil... It blossomed for a short while but because it had no root it faded away quite quickly. Read the parable of the sowers. Pray that you may be planted among good soil so that you may produce fruit... Pray for me as well. Take care.

Matthew 13:

Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
13:19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
13:20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
13:21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
13:22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
13:23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

 

[Darkballs]

"You're not really a Christian, you don't follow your own book which I have nothing but contempt for, checkmate bigot."

My religious views have nothing to do with the hypocrisy of the self-proclaimed christians on this board.

 

[4daLuLZ]

Amen. This is music to my ears. After 8 years of Obama.

It's about time we had a president say this.

Look up the word "pandering".

 

[4daLuLZ]

Think what happened before man was created. A 1/3 of the angels rebelled against God with Lucifer.

Man was then created... A lower, weaker being then angels with the choice of free will. Those who chose Christ will be the judges of these rebellious angels. We were created for God's glory. That He can do more with less, when less relies on God. We were created so Christ can demonstrate His love for us. Where He would step down from His kingdom to enter the world to give people like you, a opportunity for salvation, despite you and I being an enemy of God.

I once heard a story of a kid dropping his dad's flashlight down into a porter potty hole. The kid told the pastor and asked him how much is it worth to you? Essentially this is what Christ did for us... He came down and dwelt into the abyss cause He deemed you and I worth it. Fathom that love? Your mind cannot.

And before you say I was a Christian- no you weren't. In fact Christ called it before it occurred. You are the seed that was planted among the Rocky soil... It blossomed for a short while but because it had no root it faded away quite quickly. Read the parable of the sowers. Pray that you may be planted among good soil so that you may produce fruit... Pray for me as well. Take care.

Matthew 13:

Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
13:19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
13:20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
13:21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
13:22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
13:23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

Sounds needy.

 

[helltoupee]

Think what happened before man was created. A 1/3 of the angels rebelled against God with Lucifer.

Man was then created... A lower, weaker being then angels with the choice of free will. Those who chose Christ will be the judges of these rebellious angels. We were created for God's glory. That He can do more with less, when less relies on God. We were created so Christ can demonstrate His love for us. Where He would step down from His kingdom to enter the world to give people like you, a opportunity for salvation, despite you and I being an enemy of God.

I once heard a story of a kid dropping his dad's flashlight down into a porter potty hole. The kid told the pastor and asked him how much is it worth to you? Essentially this is what Christ did for us... He came down and dwelt into the abyss cause He deemed you and I worth it. Fathom that love? Your mind cannot.

And before you say I was a Christian- no you weren't. In fact Christ called it before it occurred. You are the seed that was planted among the Rocky soil... It blossomed for a short while but because it had no root it faded away quite quickly. Read the parable of the sowers. Pray that you may be planted among good soil so that you may produce fruit... Pray for me as well. Take care.

Matthew 13:

Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
13:19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
13:20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
13:21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
13:22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
13:23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

I appreciate the response, but it doesn't really address what I asked.

Why did God create the rebelling angels and Lucifer if he already knew they were going to rebel in the first place? Does this not make him malevolent?

 

[Wally Brando]

Trump is still pretending he's religious?

Lol that's funny.

Yeah it's such transparent pandering.

 

[Wally Brando]

It's hilarious how you insist he is a man of God when he is the living embodiment of everything Jesus preached against. Does a godly man waste his energy engaging in petty feuds with women while insulting their appearance? Does a godly man constantly lie while boasting about his achievements to a crowd of worshipping sycophants?

Do you know what a godly man does? He quietly sacrifices for the betterment of others. Did you know Jimmy Carter fell ill this week while building homes for Habitat For Humanity? Something he has been doing around the world for the past few decades, among many other charitable deeds. Yet you have nothing but ill words for him. While praising that occultist, gun-grabbing, anti-Constitutionalist, terrorist-negotiating destroyer of the working class Ronald Reagan.

I hope one day you see how badly you've been misled and atone for it.

Tremendous. If fairness Carter is histories greatest monster though.

 

[Wally Brando]

What's hilarious to me is this bullshit "America is a Christian nation with Christian values" started in the 50's (that when they put 'In God We Trust' on America's money) but the ignorant act like it was the fucking penned onto the penny by the founding fathers using a fucking time machine.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

I really don't buy that story. I think he is a double for some douche here.

Nah. He's a legit piece of shit. The fucking loser makes posts against feminism and about fiscal conservatism but he lives off his wife and refuses to work. At least the hard line conservatives here have done SOMETHING to warrant their opinion.

Dude threw a fit and tried to get me banned once, cried like the loser he is and said he would never post here again (then crawled back like a little bitch)

I've never encountered a more pathetic individual. He can fuck himself.

Oh. Forgot to tag the worm.

@Devout Pessimist

Now cry about free speech then report me lol.

 

[colby25]

I appreciate the response, but it doesn't really address what I asked.

Why did God create the rebelling angels and Lucifer if he already knew they were going to rebel in the first place? Does this not make him malevolent?

Because God did not create robots he created beings with free will. And for one to have meaningful fellowship one must have free will.

Paul also addresses this in Romans. God can use someone like Lucifer's act of rebellion to demonstrate His love. The greatest act of love known to man and that was Christ lying down His life for you and me.

But Paul addresses it here.in Romans 9:


For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”
9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
9:17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”
9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
9:19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”
9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it , “Why have you made me like this?”
9:21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
9:22 What if God, wanting to show Hiswrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
9:24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?