After banning transgenders, Trump says America worships GOD not GOVERNMENT

[Cake4Breakfast]

Trump is a fake Christian and is playing you folks, he would grab the Virgin Mary by the pussy. Plus God is a superstition anyway. And lol at worshiping government, that isn't even a thing.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Think what happened before man was created. A 1/3 of the angels rebelled against God with Lucifer.

Man was then created... A lower, weaker being then angels with the choice of free will. Those who chose Christ will be the judges of these rebellious angels. We were created for God's glory. That He can do more with less, when less relies on God. We were created so Christ can demonstrate His love for us. Where He would step down from His kingdom to enter the world to give people like you, a opportunity for salvation, despite you and I being an enemy of God.

I once heard a story of a kid dropping his dad's flashlight down into a porter potty hole. The kid told the pastor and asked him how much is it worth to you? Essentially this is what Christ did for us... He came down and dwelt into the abyss cause He deemed you and I worth it. Fathom that love? Your mind cannot.

And before you say I was a Christian- no you weren't. In fact Christ called it before it occurred. You are the seed that was planted among the Rocky soil... It blossomed for a short while but because it had no root it faded away quite quickly. Read the parable of the sowers. Pray that you may be planted among good soil so that you may produce fruit... Pray for me as well. Take care.

Matthew 13:

Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
13:19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
13:20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
13:21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
13:22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
13:23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”

I would oblige you to provide a single shred of tangible proof for your claims. And if you chose to retort with faith, please understand that you cannot deny a Muslim's faith if you claim that right for yourself.

Also, if God knows everything of the future, free will is null and void. It's not free will if the boss says so.

Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven would come within the lifetimes of the people he was speaking to at the time, and still, you believe AND you people are so certain Jesus will come back within your lifetime. Ugh.

 

[Buck Swope]

I would oblige you to provide a single shred of tangible proof for your claims. And if you chose to retort with faith, please understand that you cannot deny a Muslim's faith if you claim that right for yourself.

Also, if God knows everything of the future, free will is null and void. It's not free will if the boss says so.

Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven would come within the lifetimes of the people he was speaking to at the time, and still, you believe AND you people are so certain Jesus will come back within your lifetime. Ugh.

 

[Prefect]

Lol Trump doesn't believe in god

The reverse is true as well. God doesn't believe in Trump.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Trump is a fake Christian and is playing you folks, he would grab the Virgin Mary by the pussy. Plus God is a superstition anyway. And lol at worshiping government, that isn't even a thing.

It's also weird, considering these Republicans worship at the altar of Saint Reagan and The Shining City on The Hill all the time.

 

[colby25]

I would oblige you to provide a single shred of tangible proof for your claims. And if you chose to retort with faith, please understand that you cannot deny a Muslim's faith if you claim that right for yourself.

Also, if God knows everything of the future, free will is null and void. It's not free will if the boss says so.

Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven would come within the lifetimes of the people he was speaking to at the time, and still, you believe AND you people are so certain Jesus will come back within your lifetime. Ugh.

Jesus was talking about transfiguration that took place with John and Peter and Elijah and Moses IMMEDIATELY after he said that.

Know the scriptures before you try to refute them

 

[hillelslovak87]

Jesus was talking about transfiguration that took place with John and Peter and Elijah and Moses IMMEDIATELY after he said that.

Know the scriptures before you try to refute them

I grew up as an extremely ardent christian, and had read the book cover to cover without study groups or adults obfuscating the meanings for me by the time I was 16, but good try.

“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

“Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.“ (Matthew 24: 25-34)

“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…“ (Mark 13:26-30)

“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. Then He told them a parable: Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.“ (Luke 21:27-32)

All 4 of the gospels represent differing schools of thought within the time periods they were written, which starts after the destruction of the Temple in 70CE. Here you have 3 of the 4 gospels, all saying the same thing, which is that the end is near, and within the current generation.

I await the argument from authority again "If only you believed, you could perceive these words, because God is not the author of confusion" yadda yadda yadda.

 

[Buck Swope]

Jesus was talking about transfiguration that took place with John and Peter and Elijah and Moses IMMEDIATELY after he said that.

Know the scriptures before you try to refute them

You believe in fairytales.

 

[colby25]

You believe in fairytales.

How did the universe and you come into existence?

 

[colby25]

I grew up as an extremely ardent christian, and had read the book cover to cover without study groups or adults obfuscating the meanings for me by the time I was 16, but good try.

“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

“Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.“ (Matthew 24: 25-34)

“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…“ (Mark 13:26-30)

“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. Then He told them a parable: Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.“ (Luke 21:27-32)

All 4 of the gospels represent differing schools of thought within the time periods they were written, which starts after the destruction of the Temple in 70CE. Here you have 3 of the 4 gospels, all saying the same thing, which is that the end is near, and within the current generation.

I await the argument from authority again "If only you believed, you could perceive these words, because God is not the author of confusion" yadda yadda yadda.

Saying you were an adernt Christian doesn't give you any more credibility.

You're bringing up two different instances. In Matthew 16 the transfiguration takes place.

And the "this generation will not pass" verse in the original text could also be referring to the nation Israel will not pass until all those things occur. I admit Matthew 24 is tricky as far as what "this generation" means... It could very well mean the regeneration of Israel - that generation will not pass until those things happen- if that's the case Israel came s nation in 48 and were right at the door.

But I stand with the idea that the original texts means israel will not pass

 

[m52nickerson]

How did the universe and you come into existence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

 

[helltoupee]

Because God did not create robots he created beings with free will. And for one to have meaningful fellowship one must have free will.

Paul also addresses this in Romans. God can use someone like Lucifer's act of rebellion to demonstrate His love. The greatest act of love known to man and that was Christ lying down His life for you and me.

But Paul addresses it here.in Romans 9:


For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”
9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
9:17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”
9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
9:19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”
9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it , “Why have you made me like this?”
9:21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
9:22 What if God, wanting to show Hiswrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
9:23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
9:24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Again, appreciate the reply.

Unfortunately, if you are going to contend that God is all-powerful, there is a paradox that can't be answered in regards to free will, and the fact that he was the creator of something while simultaneously possessing knowledge of all their future actions.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Saying you were an adernt Christian doesn't give you any more credibility.

You're bringing up two different instances. In Matthew 16 the transfiguration takes place.

And the "this generation will not pass" verse in the original text could also be referring to the nation Israel will not pass until all those things occur. I admit Matthew 24 is tricky as far as what "this generation" means... It could very well mean the regeneration of Israel - that generation will not pass until those things happen- if that's the case Israel came s nation in 48 and were right at the door.

But I stand with the idea that the original texts means israel will not pass

You're kidding, right? He says some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. And you get the state of Israel out of that? How plain does he have to say something for you people to admit he meant what he was saying?

What's next, you're going to employ the myth of the wandering Jew in order to obfuscate the clear meaning of what he said? It's weird, you followers of Christ dont really seem to be able to clearly read the things he said, quite clearly.......

 

[colby25]

You're kidding, right? He says some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. And you get the state of Israel out of that? How plain does he have to say something for you people to admit he meant what he was saying?

What's next, you're going to employ the myth of the wandering Jew in order to obfuscate the clear meaning of what he said? It's weird, you followers of Christ dont really seem to be able to clearly read the things he said, quite clearly.......

Lol like I mentioned you're bringing up TWO, TWO different instances. The one you're referring to where he's talking to Peter, James and John is the transfiguration.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Lol like I mentioned you're bringing up TWO, TWO different instances. The one you're referring to where he's talking to Peter, James and John is the transfiguration.

What does the transfiguration have to do with what he said? He clearly said judgement day would come, and it would be within the generation of the people he was speaking to. If God is not the author of confusion, as the bible says, I think we can safely take Jesus at his word.

 

[colby25]

Again, appreciate the reply.

Unfortunately, if you are going to contend that God is all-powerful, there is a paradox that can't be answered in regards to free will, and the fact that he was the creator of something while simultaneously possessing knowledge of all their future actions.

Agreed, there are things in the Bible we cannot comprehend.

Free Will and soverignty of God is one.

Trinity is another. Im sure there is more. But I'm okay with that. IDK how comfortable I would be if I could honestly say I understood everything.

If there is one thing science has proven right is that man is incapable of knowing the vastness of the universe as their theories change every 5 to 10 years.

But God said it as well. As high as the heavens are above earth so are His ways and His thoughts to man's.

 

[colby25]

What does the transfiguration have to do with what he said? He clearly said judgement day would come, and it would be within the generation of the people he was speaking to. If God is not the author of confusion, as the bible says, I think we can safely take Jesus at his word.

Alright I'm cracking open the Bible for you. Remember there were no such things as chapters back then... We put them in to help out studies:

Matthew 16:

16:28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”



Matthew 17:

Jesus Transfigured on the Mount
17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”
17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.
17:7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, “Arise, and do not be afraid.”
17:8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”
17:10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
17:11 Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things.
17:12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.”
17:13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist

 

[hillelslovak87]

Alright I'm cracking open the Bible for you. Remember there were no such things as chapters back then... We put them in to help out studies:

Matthew 16:

16:28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”



Matthew 17:

esus Transfigured on the Mount
17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
17:5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”
17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.
17:7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, “Arise, and do not be afraid.”
17:8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”
17:10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”
17:11 Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things.
17:12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.”
17:13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist

And? What does this do to remedy the things he said? He uses the fig tree parable, lists a lot of end times events that will happen, says Judgement will occur soon after, and that it will be within the generation of the people he was speaking to.

This prophecy never happened, and yet you are still trying to square the circle by speaking of the transfiguration, as if that does anything to assuage the things he said right then and there.

 

[colby25]

And? What does this do to remedy the things he said? He uses the fig tree parable, lists a lot of end times events that will happen, says Judgement will occur soon after, and that it will be within the generation of the people he was speaking to.

This prophecy never happened, and yet you are still trying to square the circle by speaking of the transfiguration, as if that does anything to assuage the things he said right then and there.

Okay - again my man which scriptures are you bringing up- you can't bring up both cause they're talking about 2 different things. Matthew 16 is talking about the transfiguration that happens in matthew 17.

Matthew 24 is speaking of the end times. There is much debate about this "generation" meaning- but the parable of the fig tree some bible commentaries say that it's speaking of the regeneration of Israel and when that happens that Generation will not pass away before the end times occur. Others say "that generation" in the original text would be better translated that "this nation" will not pass away. Matthew 24- i hold a neutral stance on as i really don't know. One of those things that is not going to make or break my faith if i don't understand in regards to what generation Jesus is referring to. I personally play it safe and go with the idea that Matthew 24 might very well be referring to the nation of Israel in the original text of "this generation"

 

[colby25]

David Guzik says ths about Matthew 24:

. What generation did Jesus mean? It cannot be the generation of the disciples, because they never saw Jesus return in glory as described in Matthew 24:30. It is undoubtedly the generation that sees these signs. These events and Jesus' return won't be on some 1,000-year timetable, but will happen in succession.

ii. It has been suggested that the word generation could also be translated "race," and is a promise that the Jewish race would not be extinguished and would survive to the end. This would be a valuable promise, but some commentators (such as France) claim this is an embarrassingly wrong translation. Yet others - such as Adam Clarke, who strongly believed this the events of this chapter were almost all fulfilled in A.D. 70 - writes, "This race; i.e. the Jews shall not cease from being a distinct people, till all the counsels of God relative to them and the Gentiles be fulfilled.