Adesanya's grappling is terrible, he has no heart (analyzation)

[CrocopHKtotheballs]

Adesanya's TD defense and grappling sucks. Being outweighed isn't a valid excuse when you're fighting the best in the world.

Did he not think to maybe sprawl here? Looks like he just gave up mentally. He's easily broken.

He's supposedly been training jiu jitsu but he looked clueless on his back. Didn't even try to get up. He just let Jan advance position and took punishment.

What Israel should have done:

Spoiler: What he should have done

if Israel was competent on the mat he would have initiated a stand up guard pass by cupping the back of his head and turning his hips. Jan gave him the opportunity and space to do this multiple times.

Spoiler: What he should have done

Adesanya is so bad at grappling. He just let Jan pass to half guard with little resistance. Look at where he's positioned his limbs here.

All credit to Jan but Izzy had to respect his power, which lead to the takedown, are you retarded?

 

[Joseph Rica]

How was he supposed to sprawl in the first one? It looks like Jan timed the takedown perfectly. And the second one, you can train all you want but it's a lot different when you have someone mounting you and raining down punches. This analysis is crap.

 

[WildShrimper]

I had a classmate in high school say that the holocaust was the jews fault because they could have just grabbed a guard's gun and fought back. This thread reminded me of that dipshit.

 

[heavyarms21]

I agree that he had terrible offensive BJJ and a weak guard, but he was pretty defensively sound on the ground and didn’t take that much damage like you suggest. His problem was his hip strength when that mammoth was on top of him. Izzy couldn’t bridge his hips and get to his side without Jan flattening him to his back again

It didn't bode well that Izzy came in so light vs Jan , if he does end up going to 205 long term he needs to up the size and strength piece

 

[BEER]

This thread is a joke. He did just fine defending on the ground against a legit grappler who probably weighed 20-30 pounds more.

Any knock on Israel should be his inactivity in the stand up. He was significantly faster but let Jan dictate the pace and got outstruck, which should not have happened.

 

[Kaynan]

It looks like he’s safe for now mostly strikers in the top 10. Pre Usada Weidman would have give Adyesana serious problems.

If Gilbert or Khamzat decide to go up, Izzy is in trouble. Too bad Usman will never fight him cause I think he would definitely beat him.

Gilbert gets annihilated in my opinion.. he’s small for WW and he’s not a wrestler per se. Khamzat would be a serious problem. Prime Weidman is his toughest matchup too

 

[Kaynan]

It didn't bode well that Izzy came in so light vs Jan , if he does end up going to 205 long term he needs to up the size and strength piece

A year of straight deadlifts and wrestling and he has a chance

 

[heavyarms21]

A year of straight deadlifts and wrestling and he has a chance

Little but more nuanced than that , if you aren't joking. A plan designed to at least let him add 15-20lbs of muscle with minimal effects to his speed and pace , hopefully.

 

[Kaynan]

Little but more nuanced than that , if you aren't joking. A plan designed to at least let him add 15-20lbs of muscle with minimal effects to his speed and pace , hopefully.

Was definitely jokingly bro lol... he has a huuuuge gap to cover. And we are only talking about physical aspects right now, not even the technical fixes he needs to make

 

[Viva]

This thread is a joke. He did just fine defending on the ground against a legit grappler who probably weighed 20-30 pounds more.

Any knock on Israel should be his inactivity in the stand up. He was significantly faster but let Jan dictate the pace and got outstruck, which should not have happened.

Did fine? Did you watch that fight? He was outgrappled and controlled for a large majority of the fight.

That's not "doing fine", that's "losing a fight".

 

[heavyarms21]

Was definitely jokingly bro lol... he has a huuuuge gap to cover. And we are only talking about physical aspects right now, not even the technical fixes he needs to make

Yeah the Grappling side is a big question mark. He doesn't have an affinity for it. Anderson was way more complete in that regard, he tend to forget how special he was after the set backs with Weidman and the PED fiasco in his later yeaes.

 

[Kaynan]

Yeah the Grappling side is a big question mark. He doesn't have an affinity for it. Anderson was way more complete in that regard, he tend to forget how special he was after the set backs with Weidman and the PED fiasco in his later yeaes.

Anderson’s Thai clinch and his guard were so HUGE in retrospect. We probably won’t see that run ever again

 

[tuckermaclain]

Izzy looked like shit. He was as aggressive as Romero was against him. I used to think he could scrap with Jones. I see now that he would be too timid to throw a punch at a larger fighter.

 

[heavyarms21]

Anderson’s Thai clinch and his guard were so HUGE in retrospect. We probably won’t see that run ever again

I remember watching the 1st Franklin fight live and being the only one in the Room picking him and my roommates being Stunned silent at how dominant it was, the Camera panning to Franklin's wife made it all the more brutal.

 

[MeatWagon06]

Amazing how you used all the wrong gifs related to your "spoilers" (which were incorrectly referenced),
negating Jan completely on both regards.

This is fuckin' amateur hour

And I can't stand Izzy.

White Belt Analyst

 

[BEATDOWNS]

I'm glad Jan made him feel the weight..let this be a lesson to the other MW's thinking about moving up.

 

[Vintersorg]

Adesanya's grappling is great when he fights smaller dude with shorter limbs.
Izzy is hella athletic.
But when he fights high level grapplers with similar length but bigger and stronger, he gets ragdolled.

I think he has the same problem as many other fighters with striking background. Good grapplers and especially wrestlers have that grappling stamina, wrestlers especially are used since early childhood to cut weight and fight with the built up lactic acid in the muscles. It's something you're born with to some degree and something you trained your whole life for. Jan is an excellent grappler and he's heavier than Izzy. Early on Izzy was having success in escaping those situations but once you get tired, it's not so easy anymore and just trying to avoid any kind of damage drains you quickly. Izzy can probably do 10 rounds of MMA standup without getting really tired, but once he's on his back he's getting tired several times faster than an experienced grappler on top of him.

This type of stamina you can't just train by doing cardio, it's developed through years of grappling while your body is already drained, but you're still going. Whether he genetically has potential to develop this type of stamina to a decent level in a few years, who knows. Either way, it doesn't come over night. When he's fresh, he can probably sprawl (mostly due to his great timing and reflexes, not wrestling skill) and stuff most takedown attempts or once he's on the ground, he can probably scramble fast because he's athletic, wiry and has a decent fight IQ and understanding of positions, but when people get tired they tend to go back to their base and he still doesn't have that wrestler/grappler "DNA" to fall back on while being tired, in that part of MMA his defence is great only when he's still fresh and can think straight.

 

[BEER]

Did fine? Did you watch that fight? He was outgrappled and controlled for a large majority of the fight.

That's not "doing fine", that's "losing a fight".

"Did fine defending on the ground".

Learn to read. Jan is a legit black belt and wasn't managing to get much offense off until the very end of the fifth round. Adesanya didn't take much damage and didn't get submitted. His defense was decent. He wasn't able to get back to his feet or retain guard, but he avoided most damage and didn't get submitted.

He lost the fight. His grappling wasn't up to snuff for this fight. That's something he can improve on and it hasn't been a threat at middleweight. The size and strength difference was evident when the fight went to the ground.

 

[Viva]

"Did fine defending on the ground".

Learn to read. Jan is a legit black belt and wasn't managing to get much offense off until the very end of the fifth round. Adesanya didn't take much damage and didn't get submitted. His defense was decent. He wasn't able to get back to his feet or retain guard, but he avoided most damage and didn't get submitted.

He lost the fight. His grappling wasn't up to snuff for this fight. That's something he can improve on and it hasn't been a threat at middleweight. The size and strength difference was evident when the fight went to the ground.

Lmao keep spinning this to make Israel look better.

If the best you can say about his grappling is "its fine" or "decent", I seriously question a fighter's ability to win at an elite level.

Jan is an elite fighter, and Israel had no answer.

 

[Kono dio da!]

Adesanya's TD defense and grappling sucks. Being outweighed isn't a valid excuse when you're fighting the best in the world.

Did he not think to maybe sprawl here? Looks like he just gave up mentally. He's easily broken.

He's supposedly been training jiu jitsu but he looked clueless on his back. Didn't even try to get up. He just let Jan advance position and took punishment.

What Israel should have done:

Spoiler: What he should have done

if Israel was competent on the mat he would have initiated a stand up guard pass by cupping the back of his head and turning his hips. Jan gave him the opportunity and space to do this multiple times.

Spoiler: What he should have done

Adesanya is so bad at grappling. He just let Jan pass to half guard with little resistance. Look at where he's positioned his limbs here.

You have a strange way of spelling conor.