A stat that highlights how inactive Jon has been over his career

[icemun]

He still faced 15-18 month suspensions in 2/3 of those cases...

They are still PED test failures. He just successfully argued shorter suspensions for himself.

He was looking at a lifetime ban for that 3rd failure.

Correct me if Im wrong here-

Didnt he face suspension while USADA/Arbitration looked into his "innocence" ?

 

[maximus__]

Correct me if Im wrong here-

Didnt he face suspension while USADA/Arbitration looked into his "innocence" ?

He received reduced suspensions for showing mitigating factors of how he came to have PEDs in his system being clomiphene.

NSAC: Jones tested positive for two substances

Jon Jones -- who is facing a two-year suspension -- tested positive for clomiphene, an anti-estrogenic substance, and traces of letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, according to the NSAC.

www.espn.com.au

UFC Athlete Jon Jones Receives Doping Sanction | USADA

UFC® athlete, Jon Jones, of Rochester, N.Y., has received a one-year period of ineligibility for his anti-doping policy violation.

www.usada.org

They didn't look into his innocence. They looked into how those substances entered his body.

The second failure he was facing 4 years. He was unable to provide any tainted supplements for this one and was looking at 4 years. He had it reduced to 15 months due to substantial cooperation at arbitration.

Jon Jones given 15-month suspension after arbitration in USADA case

Former UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones was suspended 15 months after arbitration in his USADA case and will be eligible to headline UFC 230 on Nov. 3 in New York.

www.mmafighting.com

He was never found innocent of either of these PED test failures. In fact his B sample came back positive for the second one when that was tested also.

He had two strikes going into the third and was facing a lifetime ban when we magically got the pulsing theory.
He again wasn't found innocent, they just deemed it could be from the previous PED failure and the levels were low enough that it most likely wouldn't be performance enhancing. He was still failing tests and he should have been pulled from the fight until he could pass a drug test consistently for a decided period.

It recently came out that USADA was allowing athletes to compete following positives tests and allowing them to compete whilst acting as informers.

WADA statement on Reuters story exposing USADA scheme in contravention of World Anti-Doping Code

The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) responds to a Reuters story of 7 August 2024 exposing a scheme whereby the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) allowed athletes who had doped, to compete for years, in at least one case without ever publishing or sanctioning their anti-doping rule violations, in...

www.wada-ama.org

 

[JohnMandick]

Yes! The AV works great on people like you

 

[icemun]

He received reduced suspensions for showing mitigating factors of how he came to have PEDs in his system being clomiphene.

NSAC: Jones tested positive for two substances

Jon Jones -- who is facing a two-year suspension -- tested positive for clomiphene, an anti-estrogenic substance, and traces of letrozole, an aromatase inhibitor, according to the NSAC.

www.espn.com.au

UFC Athlete Jon Jones Receives Doping Sanction | USADA

UFC® athlete, Jon Jones, of Rochester, N.Y., has received a one-year period of ineligibility for his anti-doping policy violation.

www.usada.org

They didn't look into his innocence. They looked into how those substances entered his body.

The second failure he was facing 4 years. He was unable to provide any tainted supplements for this one and was looking at 4 years. He had it reduced to 15 months due to substantial cooperation at arbitration.

Jon Jones given 15-month suspension after arbitration in USADA case

Former UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones was suspended 15 months after arbitration in his USADA case and will be eligible to headline UFC 230 on Nov. 3 in New York.

www.mmafighting.com

He was never found innocent of either of these PED test failures. In fact his B sample came back positive for the second one when that was tested also.

He had two strikes going into the third and was facing a lifetime ban when we magically got the pulsing theory.
He again wasn't found innocent, they just deemed it could be from the previous PED failure and the levels were low enough that it most likely wouldn't be performance enhancing. He was still failing tests and he should have been pulled from the fight until he could pass a drug test consistently for a decided period.

It recently came out that USADA was allowing athletes to compete following positives tests and allowing them to compete whilst acting as informers.

WADA statement on Reuters story exposing USADA scheme in contravention of World Anti-Doping Code

The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) responds to a Reuters story of 7 August 2024 exposing a scheme whereby the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) allowed athletes who had doped, to compete for years, in at least one case without ever publishing or sanctioning their anti-doping rule violations, in...

www.wada-ama.org

The second test for clomiphene, resulted in the assesment that it was a tained supplement by USADA-
"which was later independently obtained, tested and found to be contaminated by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA"
and it was determined-
"the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug che"

and the third test-

"Drug tests administered at UFC 232 found an ultra trace amount of turinabol, which doctors attributed to a long-term "pulsing effect" of the M3 metabolite detected in 2017. CSAC did not take disciplinary action against Jones as the medical experts stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gaine"

 

[maximus__]

The second test for clomiphene, resulted in the assesment that it was a tained supplement by USADA-
"which was later independently obtained, tested and found to be contaminated by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA"
and it was determined-
"the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug che"

and the third test-

"Drug tests administered at UFC 232 found an ultra trace amount of turinabol, which doctors attributed to a long-term "pulsing effect" of the M3 metabolite detected in 2017. CSAC did not take disciplinary action against Jones as the medical experts stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gaine"

Are you arguing that Jones who has two PED suspensions on record, doesn't have those PED suspensions? Because he does.

His suspensions were just reduced on arbitration.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Doesn't prove a thing really, champions cannot fight at the same pace as eternal Journeymen like Holland. holland is just exceptionally active. compare him to literally ANY champ and it looks bad.


Sherdoggers are quick to forget, But there was a good decade where jon was pretty much unanimously the most active champion, up until the hit and run, he was fighting the most regularly 2-3 times per year.

i get what you're saying, but Jon had a TEN YEAR head start lmao

 

[MDoza]

Holland is one of the worst fighters on the roster. No sense in keeping him unless he fights all the time.

 

[JakePaulMMA]

He is NOT undefeated, though.

Matt Hammil will always be the man Jon Jones could never beat.

 

[joy2day]

No doubt Jon achieved a lot but imagine if he didn't have all the other stuff that's caused him to be inactive over multiple extended periods of his career to this day.

Ironically, if he had fought more often, he likely would have achieved less. His body and brain are still able to function at this level because he has minimized damage through his career.

Cheating helped him in many ways, although it did backfire in giving him his only loss. That is a legitimate loss BTW- you gamble with cheating, and you sometimes lose the gamble. If he had NEVER cheated, he would have had more losses, and losses that no one would debate the legitimacy of.

 

[Serge421]

Now compare title fight wins in the same time

 

[BlackStrap]

Matt Hamill had his arm raised at the end of the match...

Yeah, you are right, I totally fucked up on that! I acknowledged OP in his response.

 

[icemun]

Are you arguing that Jones who has two PED suspensions on record, doesn't have those PED suspensions? Because he does.

His suspensions were just reduced on arbitration.

He was clearly suspended

But Usada/arbitration found him "not guilty" or in their words-

"stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gaines"

"found that Jon Jones was not intentionally cheating in this case"

"USADA following his arbitration hearing, though the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug cheat"

 

[maximus__]

He was clearly suspended

But Usada/arbitration found him "not guilty" or in their words-

"stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gaines"

"found that Jon Jones was not intentionally cheating in this case"

"USADA following his arbitration hearing, though the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug cheat"

That's the clomiphene finding.

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Award-6-November-2016.pdf

Turninabol finding

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/FINAL-Award-Jones-and-USADA.pdf

It's a failure under USADA to use "tainted" supplements. The arbitration was actually scathing about Jones apparent lack of care in regards to avoiding the first sanction. He didn't declare the use of the tablets he took and received the full sanction USADA was after.

Second suspension was only reduced due to substantial assistance. They originally wanted 4 years, offered 18 months for his substantial assistance and then the arbitrator have him 15 months following what he provided.

Jones sure seems to have some bad luck with PEDs just making there way into his system all the time.

 

[italiamusica]

Yes! The AV works great on people like you

Dude that guy in your AV is about as embarrassing as they come lol. Temu Captain America with his dumb fucking tattoos, alcoholic who fucks up his job, yeah there's nothing to like about someone like that.

 

[Fergelmince]

Dude that guy in your AV is about as embarrassing as they come lol. Temu Captain America with his dumb fucking tattoos, alcoholic who fucks up his job, yeah there's nothing to like about someone like that.

 

[icemun]

That's the clomiphene finding.

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/Award-6-November-2016.pdf

Turninabol finding

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/FINAL-Award-Jones-and-USADA.pdf

It's a failure under USADA to use "tainted" supplements. The arbitration was actually scathing about Jones apparent lack of care in regards to avoiding the first sanction. He didn't declare the use of the tablets he took and received the full sanction USADA was after.

Second suspension was only reduced due to substantial assistance. They originally wanted 4 years, offered 18 months for his substantial assistance and then the arbitrator have him 15 months following what he provided.

Jones sure seems to have some bad luck with PEDs just making there way into his system all the time.

Yes both PDFs re-iterates what I typed earlier-



Just to be clear.

I dont for a second think Jones or any pro-athlete ESPECIALLY mixed martial artists are not taking something.

If Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie were taking roids for $500 a fight, and Pride was giving them to fighters, it would be asinine to think guys making upwards of millions of dollars are natty.

Jones is clearly a reckless individual sniffing blow before fights.

Im saying that USADA essentially cleared him of wrong doing (despite suspension ) by stating-



"stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gaines"

"found that Jon Jones was not intentionally cheating in this case"

"USADA following his arbitration hearing, though the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug cheat"

 

[RockyLockridge]

He was clearly suspended

But Usada/arbitration found him "not guilty" or in their words-

"stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gaines"

"found that Jon Jones was not intentionally cheating in this case"

"USADA following his arbitration hearing, though the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug cheat"

I find it interesting that when things like this happen to Islam makachev, it gets completely swept under the rug.

when it's Jones, it's clutched onto for dear life

NO ONE ever calls makachev a cheater, but this will always exist


people like Islam. people don't like jones. Only difference.

Islam Makhachev suspension: The Dagestani fighter failed USADA drug test for banned substance in 2016

Islam Makhachev laid claim to the UFC pound-for-pound top spot by successfully defending his lightweight strap against Alexander Volkanovski.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[RedDevilFan]

Get rid of those, and he’d have multiple losses. His whole career is one massive asterisk.

How would Jones have multiple losses because you say it ? That does not make this statement true or even remotely accurate.

Who would those losses be from ? Jones was so above the fray that Jackson, Mighty Mouse and team mates acknowledged that jones stopped regularly training, and was drinking at the bar and doing cocaine every night during his reign, and still won fights.

Jon was reckless but what you wrote is fiction.

 

[maximus__]

Yes both PDFs re-iterates what I typed earlier-

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Just to be clear.

I dont for a second think Jones or any pro-athlete ESPECIALLY mixed martial artists are not taking something.

If Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie were taking roids for $500 a fight, and Pride was giving them to fighters, it would be asinine to think guys making upwards of millions of dollars are natty.

Jones is clearly a reckless individual sniffing blow before fights.

Im saying that USADA essentially cleared him of wrong doing (despite suspension ) by stating-



"stated that there was no evidence that Jones had re-administered a banned substance and no performance-enhancing benefits were gaines"

"found that Jon Jones was not intentionally cheating in this case"

"USADA following his arbitration hearing, though the panel concluded that Jones did not take the banned substances intentionally, and was not a drug cheat"

They didn;'t clear him of any wrong doing. They cleared him of being able to prove he intentionally administered the drugs.
It's the legal framing of the suspension. To do that, they would effectively need signed witness statements, the physical PEDs and to have effectively seen him ingesting the drugs/have video proof. The burden of proof is that high. That's why having a banned substance in your tests is enough.

I am glad you don't think he was clean and are just arguing the semantics of the wording.