A Sinister fist tutorial:

Sinister said:
Someone hasn't actually watched the video.
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I actually did, when you face the camera with your 2 main knuckles alligned, your fist is in a sort of 45 angle, not fully rotated... If I throw it like that, I seem to hit the block instead of the first 2

Im saying rotate it like this guy, maybe a little bit more

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I've always thought it was a basic thing to rotate your fist on straight punches...
 
That above question made me cringe.
But seriously, if you haven't figured out how to punch without flaring your elbow out AND land with the first two knuckle, then i have nothing to say.
 
sourdiesel209 said:
I actually did, when you face the camera with your 2 main knuckles alligned, your fist is in a sort of 45 angle, not fully rotated... If I throw it like that, I seem to hit the block instead of the first 2

Im saying rotate it like this guy, maybe a little bit more

USMCcombat_img_95.jpg


I've always thought it was a basic thing to rotate your fist on straight punches...
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I don't think you did. Because I throw straight punches on the bag in that video around the 6:10 mark. Plus, I'm sure you've read numerous posts of mine around here where I say that I don't favor lifting the elbow from the torso. The only punch where I turn the elbow over at all in the manner anything similar to that photo (I'm assuming you mean the guy on the right who misses his punch, because the guy on the left's form is pretty awful in general) is the long hook, where the elbow flips, but only at the last second to aim the forefinger knuckle.

Later in the video at around the 6:45 mark I explain very basically how not to hit with the last knuckles due to the arcing of the wrist. I also show turning the punch over, but the elbows do not flare, nor does the hand turn upside down or near upside down.
 
Nuclearlandmine said:
That above question made me cringe.
But seriously, if you haven't figured out how to punch without flaring your elbow out AND land with the first two knuckle, then i have nothing to say.
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Well its really a slight flare, just that naturally by physics your elbow ends up pointing out if you rotate fully, like in the picture (its the best I could find) its nothing like a bad form elbow flare where the elbow comes out at the start of the punch showing a tell... The rotation of the fist happens at the very end
 
Sinister said:
I don't think you did. Because I throw straight punches on the bag in that video around the 6:10 mark. Plus, I'm sure you've read numerous posts of mine around here where I say that I don't favor lifting the elbow from the torso. The only punch where I turn the elbow over at all in the manner anything similar to that photo (I'm assuming you mean the guy on the right who misses his punch, because the guy on the left's form is pretty awful in general) is the long hook, where the elbow flips, but only at the last second to aim the forefinger knuckle.

Later in the video at around the 6:45 mark I explain very basically how not to hit with the last knuckles due to the arcing of the wrist. I also show turning the punch over, but the elbows do not flare, nor does the hand turn upside down or near upside down.
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Well I also arc the wrist but if I turn the punch over in a sort of 45 degree angle with the first 2 being lower than the last 2 knuckles like, yeah, the dude on the left obviosly the other is throwing an uppercut or something lol I really hit with those two knuckles isolated, and this happens at the end so theres no tell, its a really slight flare
 
Great video Sinister!

Two things I've been taught that maybe were outside the scope of that VERY informative video:

1. Keep the hand lose until right before impact. (It's supposed to help you transfer your power into the punch as opposed to clenching a fist too tight.)

2. To maximize power for a go-for-it kill shot, try to hit just with the middle knuckle. There's a chance you'll fuck up your hand and that's supposedly the reason Fedor and some of the Russians suffer so many broken hands.

Do you have an opinion on these two things? I'm not trying to kiss up, but I think some training with you (particularly early on) would benefit the vast majority of fighters.
 
This video completely altered my conception of punching. Thank you.
 
swirldog said:
Great video Sinister!

Two things I've been taught that maybe were outside the scope of that VERY informative video:

1. Keep the hand lose until right before impact. (It's supposed to help you transfer your power into the punch as opposed to clenching a fist too tight.)

2. To maximize power for a go-for-it kill shot, try to hit just with the middle knuckle. There's a chance you'll fuck up your hand and that's supposedly the reason Fedor and some of the Russians suffer so many broken hands.

Do you have an opinion on these two things? I'm not trying to kiss up, but I think some training with you (particularly early on) would benefit the vast majority of fighters.
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I can take or leave the clenching only on impact thing. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not. Just depends on what you're trying to do and when. But I'd rather a guy learn to keep his fist closed all the time than for him to break a hand because he forgets to clench before the punch lands. As for the middle knuckle, that one I'm not sure about because when I have my guys throw hard rear-hand shots, both of the first knuckled impact. I wouldn't prefer one over the other. The two of them together work very very well.
 
I definitely understand about the straight punch. But I still have a question about a hook with mma gloves. so with the way you just showed to make a fist I usually throw my hook with a vertical fist when I'm throwing a long hook, but I've found I bash my thumb quite a bit with mma gloves. sui do you throw it with a somewhat turned over fist when throwing a long hook?
 
Yes, the long hook is aimed with the pointer finger knuckle. Your thumb should never come anywhere near the target. Given the opponent doesn't do something crazy and practically headbutt your thumb, which I have seen happen.
 
Sinister said:
Yes, the long hook is aimed with the pointer finger knuckle. Your thumb should never come anywhere near the target. Given the opponent doesn't do something crazy and practically headbutt your thumb, which I have seen happen.
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so say for instance I'm throwing my left hook long, would I want to turn my hand down like thumb towards the floor so I contact with what you call the back of the knuckles?
 
Not necessarily that far. The long hook is actually the first punch I demonstrate in the video on the bag.
 
I don't know what that is, but if it looks a lot like what I did, then yes.
 
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