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A Shocking Muay Thai Fact

Cocakillbana

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ONLY Thai people can be the best Muay Thai fighters!

I'm amazed at how many people who call themselves fans of the sport don't understand this, or choose to ignore it. There are plenty of reasons why this true. First of all, history has backed this up completely. Occasionally good Thais will lose a fight to someone not from Thailand, and this apparently means the foreign fighter is world class. Wrong. No fighter from any country other than Thailand has ever been able to consistently beat other top fighters for an extended period of time. A fighter isn't world class from getting a lone win. A win that is often a gift, and these fights aren't really taken seriously anyways. Fighting a few times a year against mostly random competition doesn't cut it. When someone is fighting the best 7-10 times a year and winning a bunch of those fights, that's when they're regarded as a very good fighter.

The training. This is what separates Thais from the rest of the world. There are exceptions, but the general rule is a good Thai usually starts at 8-12 and fights 20+ times per year until they are teenagers. They are professional fighters. Early on they may train at home with their fathers, but eventually they go to a real gym and have consistent training all the way through with knowledgable instructors. This does not exist anywhere else in the world, at least not on a mass scale. The story around the world is usually someone starts as a teen or early twenty and they "go" to the gym at the strip mall. This makes it all but impossible to fight like a Thai. That person can learn to kick fast, punch, and do all that, but they can never fight with the composure, rhythm, balance and advanced technique of the better Thais. Take any high level fight from Thailand and try and find an example of where two foreigners were able to produce anything at all like it. Hasn't happened, or is very rare. It's hard to fight that way, and someone pretty much has to be in it from the beginning to do it.

Thailand has more serious participants than perhaps the entire rest of the world. Be it fighters, trainers, or anyone with knowledge in the sport. The place with the most participants, by FAR, is going to be the best. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is the same. It's Brazil's sport, they have the most participants, the best practitioners, and it's accepted they are the best without question and these athletes are given credit by name, thanks to its association with MMA. Nobody gives competitive Muay Thai fighters any kind of credit. It's largely the fighters from everywhere else that are known. Relatively poor and mediocre fighters are peddled as greats and legends. The BJJ dude from Denmark, or wherever is never seen as the pinnacle. The ones who actually prove themselves are acknowledged in BJJ, regardless of location. They get it right! Compare that to Muay Thai.

If you're a fight journalist, analyst or run some kind of blog, please have common sense when looking at Muay Thai. Sergio Wielzen is not top-class. The world hasn't surpassed Thailand. Kiatmuu9 trainers are not inept because they don't teach to fight like MMA strikers. Just stop.

Bonus rant

MMA has really done a disservice to Muay Thai. Nobody in that world bothers to seriously learn about it, while the other supposedly significant parts of MMA are more freely talked about. They've (commentators, journalists, bloggers etc...) cheapened Muay Thai to its fans to the point where it's seen as second rate, even with the fact that no serious Muay Thai competitor has ever fought in the UFC. Where the description of technique is reduced to only silly clichés. Where if someone is aggressive and kicks legs they are the representative of Muay Thai. Where one of the top coaches in the sport doesn't have much of a background, yet is called "Master" and hands out Muay Thai black belts. This would NEVER be accepted if it was BJJ, wrestling or boxing. That person would be brought down and ruined very quickly. But nobody in MMA gives a fuck if Muay Thai snake oil is sold. It's lauded and viewed as greatness.
 
But what about cowboy Cerrone's world class Muay Thai, and might mouse's world class Thai clinch
 
Only Thai people ARE the best Muay Thai fighters. That's better. I guess it's possible someone who isn't Thai CAN be one of the best.
 
I agree with the point you are making, but allow me to add some nuance. Training in Thailand with the Thai method is by far the best for getting good at Muay Thai, and especially elements of Muay Thai valued in real Thai scoring, like clinch and balance. There are foreigners who have moved to Thailand at a young age and have trained this way though(Pinto bros, Mattias, Barlow).
 
Maybe there needs to be a liverkick.com equivalent for muay thai to make it easier for people to get into.
 
Bullshit! Ramon Dekkers went there, fought the best, and defeated them ALL. Clearly the GOAT, and clearly not Thai.
 
Maybe there needs to be a liverkick.com equivalent for muay thai to make it easier for people to get into.
I wish sherdog would cover some stadium fights instead of the small time MMA orgs. I really dont care about WSOF, let alone orgs smaller than that.
 
I mean, would you trust Sherdog to cover this shit?

Basically Rob and a toned down less douchey Coka would be the only people that could pull it off.
 
Who cares about muay thai bro?

Connor McGregor proved that flat-footed style is outdated when he knocked out muay thai legend Jose Aldo, bro. Maybe they can bring in an all time great like that Kevin Ross guy on Joe Rogan's podcast to protect its honor, but till then TKD-inspired footwork like McGregor and Thompson is the pinnacle of striking, bro.
 
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you just mad k1 hughes world class schilling is much more mainstream
 
Things might change with time. Japan used to dominate their sports of Judo and Karate even when it got world-spread, but things have changed the last few years, even though they remain a strong nation in those sports.
Muay Thai has arguably not been mainstream for as long in Western countries compared to Judo or Karate, and you see more and more farangs going up the rankings even in the lighter divisions. Give it another 30 years and the Thai dominance might not be as clear.
 
Who cares about muay thai bro?

Connor McGregor proved that flat-footed style is outdated when he knocked out muay thai legend Jose Aldo, bro. Maybe they can bring in an all time great like that Kevin Ross guy on Joe Rogan's podcast to protect its honor, but till then TKD-inspired footwork like McGregor and Thompson is the pinnacle of striking, bro.

It would be nice to see Conor fighting Saenchai under Muay Thai rules... But it will never happen
 
It would be nice to see Conor fighting Saenchai under Muay Thai rules... But it will never happen

Does Connor owe you money or something? Why are you rooting for him to get his limbs broken?

Muay Thai has arguably not been mainstream for as long in Western countries compared to Judo or Karate, and you see more and more farangs going up the rankings even in the lighter divisions. Give it another 30 years and the Thai dominance might not be as clear.

Not sure we'll ever see much influx of foreign talent into muay thai so long as the financial and cultural incentives vastly favour going into MMA instead.
 
I think Damien Alamos and Azize Hlali are amongst the best in the world.Damien was a Lumpini champ beating legends
 
Damien was very good, but
I mean, would you trust Sherdog to cover this shit?

Basically Rob and a toned down less douchey Coka would be the only people that could pull it off.

whats the pay? :P
 
Has there ever been a foreigner better than Dany Bill? He competed at the stadiums and took fights off big name opponents..... Jean Charles Skarbowsky was ranked top 10 at rajadamnern back in the day too. Depends what coca meant by 'the best'....There have been a few foreigners that could hang at the high level but none that were close to p4p #1 status.
 
think thats the point he made, there has been some very good foreigners competing here, but none really at the level of the top p4p Thai fighters, Damien was very good, he didn't really beat any legends though and when the legends do get beat by foreigners it tends to be when they arte not at their absolute prime or at a weight or two above their best
 
I think Damien Alamos and Azize Hlali are amongst the best in the world.Damien was a Lumpini champ beating legends

I don't grade fighters off of titles. It's who you face and beat and the circumstances that go into it, like weight advantages. Damien never beat a Thai who is considered an elite fighter. He beat Diesellek before he made a splash, but was owned in the rematch. Aranchai, Farmongkon, Saksongkram are middle of the road kind of fighters. Nothing to sneeze at, but not close to legends. If Alamos had the reputation in Thailand as being one of the best he would have fought Petboonchu, Sagetdao, Saenchai, Nong-O, Singdam etc...

Hlali is the beneficiary of home cooking. He was stylistically outclassed by smaller fighters in Singdam and Kongsak, but of course won both. You can't flop to the floor 20 times to avoid a kick and be called one of the best. That's anti Muay Thai.
 
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