Opinion If Your Allies Become Isolationist, Does That Force You To Follow Suit? (Vance Angers the UK)

[Siver!]

Anger over JD Vance 'random country' peacekeeping remark

The US vice-president faces criticism after saying troops from "some random country" will not deter Russia.

www.bbc.co.uk

The US vice-president has sparked a row with comments he made about the potential involvement of international forces to police a peace deal in Ukraine.

UK opposition politicians accused JD Vance of disrespecting British forces, after he told Fox News a US stake in Ukraine's economy was a "better security guarantee than 20,000 troops from some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years".

The UK and France have said they would be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine as part of a peace deal.

Vance has since insisted he did not "even mention the UK or France," adding both had "fought bravely alongside the US over the last 20 years, and beyond".

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There is a phrase: think twice, speak once.

Obviously that does not apply to the current US regime, so off colour remarks slip through constantly. This is the latest picked up by British media. The comments section in this BBC article is flooded with calls to boycott US products, which also come on the back of the USA-Canada/Mexico rift.

Now I'm not asking if you agree with Vance's mindless rhetoric or whether you feel supposed boycotts will be in any way effective, I'm asking: if your ally becomes isolationist, does that force you to do the same?

Tariffs, poor diplomacy, unpopularity: if the response to these is "buy local", that's good for your own local economy and people will likely make small changes - but, the flipside, you yourselves are becoming more isolationist as a result.

If you hate US and far right isolationist theory, but you end up supporting it out of spite or anger, have you already bent the knee to the god of small nations?

 

[Croo67]

 

[Stoic1]

"En Shallah", as the British say.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Those guys diplomatic skills are so off this worl, they're dying for lack of oxigen!

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Some random country that sent our troops to Afghanistan and Iraq for America where some died side by side with your soldiers.

Fucking prick.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Why won't he clarify who he's talking about then?

 

[Siver!]

Why won't he clarify who he's talking about then?

He knew who he was talking about, there are only two countries in the frame.

He's just too cowardly to own it.

But he will have to own it with ever dwindling foreign sales. I doubt Tesla are the only company affected, just an obvious one to track.

But anyway, it will be an interesting few years with trading partners ceasing and downsizing trade to each other for... no reason.

 

[curryjunkie]

He knew who he was talking about, there are only two countries in the frame.

He's just too cowardly to own it.

But he will have to own it with ever dwindling foreign sales. I doubt Tesla are the only company affected, just an obvious one to track.

But anyway, it will be an interesting few years with trading partners ceasing and downsizing trade to each other for... no reason.

They are really fuckin keen on this minerals deal, to the extent they are willing to risk the whole thing blowing up, guess everybody wants to be a billionaire now, I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when they met the Russians in private last week

 

[Death By Samson]

Starmer said that other countries besides France and England had joined his "Coalition of the Willing" but he wouldn't name them when asked. That's why Vance said "some random country". How do people not get that?

 

[Whippy McGee]

Starmer said that other countries besides France and England had joined his "Coalition of the Willing" but he wouldn't name them when asked. That's why Vance said "some random country". How do people not get that?

Alright man. You stop that. They want to be outraged!

 

[The Big Yin]

Some random country that sent our troops to Afghanistan and Iraq for America where some died side by side with your soldiers.

Fucking prick.

I think you'll find that was Tony Blair and his Labour government who sent UK troops. You know with that sexed up WMD dossier that they lied to parliament with. The one that was criticized by Dr David Kelly who 'died' in odd circumstances in 2003

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I think you'll find that was Tony Blair and his Labour government who sent UK troops. You know with that sexed up WMD dossier that they lied to parliament with. The one that was criticized by Dr David Kelly who 'died' in odd circumstances in 2003

Sure, but Blair went because he was an American puppet.

I'd be happy to see Blair tried for war crimes personally.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

lol @ 20 thousand troops.
Nobody has that in Europe to send.

 

[Fanu]

lol @ 20 thousand troops.
Nobody has that in Europe to send.

wat

The Polish armed forces contain 216,100 personnel, according to NATO’s estimates for this year. That is behind only the United States (1.3 million) and Turkey (481,000).

Poland is followed by France (204,700), Germany (185,600), Italy (171,400) and the United Kingdom (138,100).


Whats the US end game here? piss off all long standing allies and establish new world order with Russia (while Putin and his cronies haaaate the west, including US)? what a nice company to be in.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

wat

The Polish armed forces contain 216,100 personnel, according to NATO’s estimates for this year. That is behind only the United States (1.3 million) and Turkey (481,000).

Poland is followed by France (204,700), Germany (185,600), Italy (171,400) and the United Kingdom (138,100).

i said "to send", not total numbers. can't you read?

 

[Fanu]

i said "to send", not total numbers. can't you read?

the fuck do you think these numbers represent? you think that Poland has 200.000+ soldiers working administration?

The Polish Armed Forces consist of 292,000+ active duty personnel. In 2023, troop strength in the five different branches was as follows: Land Forces (Wojska Lądowe): 100,200, Reserve 40,000+ Air Force (Siły Powietrzne): 46,500.

Unlike US, Poland takes Russian threat seriously.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

the fuck do you think these numbers represent? you think that Poland has 200.000+ soldiers working administration?

The Polish Armed Forces consist of 292,000+ active duty personnel. In 2023, troop strength in the five different branches was as follows: Land Forces (Wojska Lądowe): 100,200, Reserve 40,000+ Air Force (Siły Powietrzne): 46,500.

yeah and they're not sending 20.000 troops anywhere, retard.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

i said "to send", not total numbers. can't you read?

We could definitely send 20k between us. Maybe not per individual country.

EDIT - I should clarify that just because we can doesn't mean I think we should.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

We could definitely send 20k between us. Maybe not per individual country.

EDIT - I should clarify that just because we can doesn't mean I think we should.

irrelevant. thread is about "one country" that might supposedly send 20k troops.

 

[Fanu]

yeah and they're not sending 20.000 troops anywhere, retard.

You the army general of Polish armed forces? No? Then shut up.