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A Shocking Muay Thai Fact

Chain Saw said:
Why don't Thai fighters train some wrestling and BJJ and join the UFC?

They'd be monsters in the lower weight classes.

And they'd make a lot more money.
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Rumor is @JayMuaythai will be setting up a Gofundme page to help open a fully equipped MMA gym in Thailand specifically for Good Muay Thai fighters. Keep an eye out on that!
 
Cocakillbana said:
Rumor is @JayMuaythai will be setting up a Gofundme page to help open a fully equipped MMA gym in Thailand specifically for Good Muay Thai fighters. Keep an eye out on that!
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complete with science lab and fully stocked pharmacy, its going to be the go to place in south east asia for everything from hand wraps to pile ointment!
 
Saenchai is busting out armbars in a Yokkao GI right now. We're getting close people. It's only a matter of time before he's in an oxygen deprivation mask sledgehammering tractor tires.
 
I'm pretty sure Ramba Sombet runs his own MMA gym in Thailand. Thats a start.
 
I'm surprised there's no love for Demetrius Johnson. He has been using the most compete clinch flow of anyone in the game. Destroying olympic gold medalists and combat sambo world champs with knees and elbows in the clinch. I would love a fighter exchange between Dejdamarong and DJ, they could learn so much from each other.

As much as I love the idea of authentic muay thai being someday showcased at the top levels of mma, the infrastructure to train and compete in Thailand is just not there. I think its more likely an Evolve grown fighter gets us closer to that end. Or perhaps if Evolve somehow manages to poach a young fighter to train under Evolve. I have my eyes on some of the young fighters on their roster, but only time will tell.

We are starting to see a better clinch integration of wrestling and thai clinching. Guys like DJ and Jones have a great working model where they are crushing everyone in that range. Matt Brown is showing that even the most authentic thai style (seen to date) clinching with no folk/greco/freestyle transitions is viable in mma. Have hope muay thai fans! We're getting there.
 
mikiemike87 said:
I'm surprised there's no love for Demetrius Johnson. He has been using the most compete clinch flow of anyone in the game. Destroying olympic gold medalists and combat sambo world champs with knees and elbows in the clinch. I would love a fighter exchange between Dejdamarong and DJ, they could learn so much from each other.

As much as I love the idea of authentic muay thai being someday showcased at the top levels of mma, the infrastructure to train and compete in Thailand is just not there. I think its more likely an Evolve grown fighter gets us closer to that end. Or perhaps if Evolve somehow manages to poach a young fighter to train under Evolve. I have my eyes on some of the young fighters on their roster, but only time will tell.

We are starting to see a better clinch integration of wrestling and thai clinching. Guys like DJ and Jones have a great working model where they are crushing everyone in that range. Matt Brown is showing that even the most authentic thai style (seen to date) clinching with no folk/greco/freestyle transitions is viable in mma. Have hope muay thai fans! We're getting there.
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While I do agree with you that there seems to be an uptick in use of the elbow in the UFC, I suggest you watch out for incoming hatorade for 'equating muay thai to simple use of the plum and elbow'.
 
Karaev fan said:
While I do agree with you that there seems to be an uptick in use of the elbow in the UFC, I suggest you watch out for incoming hatorade for 'equating muay thai to simple use of the plum and elbow'.
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I didn't mention the plum at all. I think its much more than that. The overlap in grips like the head and bicep control that can be used to snap a head down, is used in Muay thai to off balance them laterally was used in the Johnson/Cejudo fight. DJ's ability to find openings to land knees/elbows is very thai esque, at one point even doing a body climb when pinned against the cage.
 
mikiemike87 said:
I didn't mention the plum at all. I think its much more than that. The overlap in grips like the head and bicep control that can be used to snap a head down, is used in Muay thai to off balance them laterally was used in the Johnson/Cejudo fight. DJ's ability to find openings to land knees/elbows is very thai esque, at one point even doing a body climb when pinned against the cage.
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Point being that you're demonstrating Coca's point by equating Muay Thai to a subset of techniques as opposed to the pool of talent and competition in Thailand.
 
Johnson have a very good good clinch-knee-elbow work at "muay thai"on MMA conception,witch is a very different deep of level on real Muay Thai,where any medium caliber at stadiums are better on stand clinch work
 
Johnson is a fantastic athlete who obviously has more competence in certain aspects of Muay Thai than most in MMA. However, the Cejudo fight is more an example of Cejudo being poor at the situation at hand rather than Johnson being great. When a finish is involved people tend to oversell the technique or how great that fighter is. DJ landed a knee that bothered Cejudo and everything from there was given to him on a silver platter. Before that knee Cejudo was not fighting from up high, but had his hand on DJ's waist. DJ took advantage of easy openings and now it's suddenly virtuosity of the highest degree according to MMA writers. It's all whatever to me.

The finish makes Addam appear to be just a monster of a fighter with great technique, but he is kind of just a guy. Not bad, but is a stadium veteran the same way a 10-10 UFC journeyman is a UFC fighter. The fighter who isn't going anywhere but is able to hang around. Anyways, little dude found something and exposed it. No need to overreact. Yodwicha goes 15 minutes just about every time and doesn't look so spectacular, but he's a lot better than Addam. I'm sure if this played out in MMA that fighter would be seen as a behemoth. Finishes delude.

 
Like Silva once said, he is not the best in MT and he is not the best in BJJ, but when you combined both, he is clearly one of the best on his prime.

Demetrious Johson is the ultimate fighter, he is the most perfect fighter on the planet today, when you combined all aspect of martial art, DJ is the most skilled.

and his athleticism is just one of the best.

the fact that he did that to Henry Cejudo on the clinch without being taken down are clearly showed how impressive that was.
 
I agree with Coca on the Cejudo fight, I reference it as his most recent fight, but Cejudo had no business being in there. I found his clinch domination over Baugotinov and Dodson 1 over the course of 5 rounds much more impressive.

Overall, I agree with Coca's overarching point. The day in/ day out lifestyle of muay thai that these kids adopt at such a young age is very hard to duplicate, and match on even ground.
 
Wasn't the rumor that Petboonchu was going into MMA? Is that still a thing?
 
Orono Wor Petchpun was going to like 5 years ago. Buakaw was training in jiu jitsu too. I won't believe that any of these crossovers will happen until they are in the cage.
 
Tayski said:
Things might change with time. Japan used to dominate their sports of Judo and Karate even when it got world-spread, but things have changed the last few years, even though they remain a strong nation in those sports.
Muay Thai has arguably not been mainstream for as long in Western countries compared to Judo or Karate, and you see more and more farangs going up the rankings even in the lighter divisions. Give it another 30 years and the Thai dominance might not be as clear.
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No way, it's their national sport.
 
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