91-1

that’s impressive in its own way, but being undefeated doesn’t really mean as much when it’s not against elite opponents. to that end, khabib and islam have done pretty well. neither has demonstrated longevity at that level. perhaps islam will go on to set a new record for defenses. as for the others, we’ll see how they fare at the elite level.

also, adding records together is arbitrary. if you’re gonna go that route, gotta include everyone abdulmuhnap trained so we get the full picture.
 
Luthien said:
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Look how adorable I am...so adorable I look like a kitten lol
 
Ares Black said:
Not all victories are created equal.

Team Abdulmanap has some great victories. But 91-1 doesn't mean a whole lot if the vast majority of those opponents were hand-picked no-hopers.

Khabib fought a guy making his debuts at 14-0. When he was 11-0 he fought a guy who was 0-2. That is absolutely shameful.
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chinarice said:
Hey man, Amosov at 27-1 is as proven as Islam. All that matters are numbers on the record. Who they beat is for another day and an argument I have nothing for so please don't bring up quality of opposition.
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Natural Order said:
Now with 75% more cherry-picked opponents!

Clearly these guys are very skilled and Abdulmanap helped shape a winning style. But there is a lot of fluff when you look at most of it properly.
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MMA is a very young sport comparatively speaking...

Saying "majority of fighters were nobodies" could literally apply to almost every major champion in every major combat sport.

Let's take boxing for example:

1. Archie Moore (Light Heavyweight Champion)​

  • Record: 186 Wins, 23 Losses, 10 Draws, 1 No Contest
  • Total Fights: 219
  • Held the world light heavyweight title for nearly a decade, setting records for knockouts (131).

2. Julio César Chávez (Super Featherweight, Lightweight, and Light Welterweight Champion)​

  • Record: 107 Wins, 6 Losses, 2 Draws
  • Total Fights: 115
  • Six-time world champion across three weight divisions, one of the most dominant Mexican boxers ever.

3. Sugar Ray Robinson (Welterweight and Middleweight Champion)​

  • Record: 174 Wins, 19 Losses, 6 Draws, 2 No Contests
  • Total Fights: 201
  • Widely regarded as one of the greatest pound-for-pound fighters in boxing history, holding titles at welterweight and middleweight.

4. Willie Pep (Featherweight Champion)​

  • Record: 229 Wins, 11 Losses, 1 Draw
  • Total Fights: 241
  • Two-time world featherweight champion, known for his elusive defensive skills.

5. Henry Armstrong (Featherweight, Lightweight, and Welterweight Champion)​

  • Record: 151 Wins, 21 Losses, 9 Draws
  • Total Fights: 183
  • The only boxer to hold three world titles in different weight divisions simultaneously.

6. Roberto Durán (Lightweight, Welterweight, Light Middleweight, and Middleweight Champion)​

  • Record: 103 Wins, 16 Losses
  • Total Fights: 119
  • "Hands of Stone" was a four-division world champion and one of the greatest fighters in boxing history.

7. Tony Canzoneri (Featherweight, Lightweight, and Light Welterweight Champion)​

  • Record: 137 Wins, 24 Losses, 10 Draws
  • Total Fights: 175
  • Three-division world champion during the 1920s and 1930s.

8. Emile Griffith (Welterweight and Middleweight Champion)​

  • Record: 85 Wins, 24 Losses, 2 Draws
  • Total Fights: 112
  • A six-time world champion in two weight divisions, known for his versatility and longevity in the sport.

9. Ezzard Charles (Heavyweight Champion)​

  • Record: 95 Wins, 25 Losses, 1 Draw
  • Total Fights: 121
  • Held the world heavyweight title and was known for also being one of the greatest light heavyweights.

10. Manny Pacquiao (Flyweight, Super Bantamweight, Featherweight, Lightweight, and Welterweight Champion)​

  • Record: 62 Wins, 8 Losses, 2 Draws
  • Total Fights: 72
  • The only boxer to win world titles in eight different weight divisions, Pacquiao had an extraordinary career spanning multiple decades.
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These champion boxers had long, decorated careers with many professional fights, and they each held world titles in one or more weight divisions.

You're not really making a point. No fighter can come onto the scene with a long list of well known names on their record.

You have to start from somewhere and when you're from a tiny mountain village, you're guaranteed to be fighting "no name" fighters.
 
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HNIC215 said:
MMA is a very young sport comparatively speaking...

Saying "majority of fighters were nobodies" could literally apply to almost every major champion in every major combat sport.

Let's take boxing for example:


These champion boxers had long, decorated careers with many professional fights, and they each held world titles in one or more weight divisions.

You're not really making a point. No fighter can come onto the scene with a long list of well known names on their record.

You have to start from somewhere and when you're from a tiny mountain village, you're guaranteed to be fighting "no name" fighters.
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Let's see GSP by comparison.
 
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I made another list (via GPT) of MMA champion.

1. Travis Fulton (Multiple MMA organizations)​

  • Record: 255 Wins, 54 Losses, 10 Draws
  • Total Fights: 320+
  • Known as "The Ironman," Travis Fulton holds the record for the most professional MMA fights, competing in various organizations over two decades.

2. Dan Severn (UFC Superfight Champion)​

  • Record: 101 Wins, 19 Losses, 7 Draws
  • Total Fights: 127
  • A former UFC champion and Hall of Famer, Severn is also known for his success in wrestling and MMA, having fought in multiple promotions.

3. Jeremy Horn (Multiple MMA organizations)​

  • Record: 91 Wins, 22 Losses, 5 Draws
  • Total Fights: 119+
  • A veteran of the UFC, Pride, and other promotions, Jeremy Horn is known for his grappling prowess and extensive MMA career.

4. Yuki Kondo (Pancrase Openweight Champion)​

  • Record: 60 Wins, 35 Losses, 9 Draws
  • Total Fights: 105+
  • A former Pancrase Openweight Champion, Kondo fought in a variety of organizations, including UFC, Pride, and Pancrase.

5. Renato Sobral (Strikeforce Light Heavyweight Champion)​

  • Record: 37 Wins, 11 Losses
  • Total Fights: 48
  • "Babalu" was a Strikeforce champion and a UFC contender, known for his submission skills and multiple high-level appearances.

6. Anderson Silva (UFC Middleweight Champion)​

  • Record: 34 Wins, 11 Losses
  • Total Fights: 46
  • Considered one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time, Silva held the UFC middleweight title for a record 2,457 days and fought numerous high-profile bouts.

7. Randy Couture (UFC Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight Champion)​

  • Record: 19 Wins, 11 Losses
  • Total Fights: 30
  • One of the most decorated fighters in UFC history, Couture won titles in both the heavyweight and light heavyweight divisions and fought well into his 40s.

8. Tito Ortiz (UFC Light Heavyweight Champion)​

  • Record: 21 Wins, 12 Losses, 1 Draw
  • Total Fights: 34
  • A UFC Hall of Famer and former light heavyweight champion, Ortiz had a long and storied career in MMA, continuing to fight in Bellator after leaving the UFC.

9. Frank Mir (UFC Heavyweight Champion)​

  • Record: 19 Wins, 13 Losses
  • Total Fights: 32
  • Mir is a former two-time UFC heavyweight champion, known for his submission skills and longevity in the sport.

10. Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone (UFC Contender, WEC Title Challenger)​

  • Record: 36 Wins, 17 Losses, 2 No Contests
  • Total Fights: 55
  • While Cerrone never held a UFC title, he fought the most bouts in UFC history, known for his willingness to fight anyone at any time, and for holding several UFC records.
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You could say the same thing about any fighter on this list. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
HNIC215 said:
You don't have to be sorry lol

I didn't take it personally.

I'm just saying a truth as well.

In reality, no fight is easy. Takes effort, no matter the opponent.

These guys are from a tiny village, of course they faced nobodies on their way up.
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Sorry, Khabib should have been in the UFC in 2007 when he was 17 years old.

As a matter of fact, why didn't Umar and Usman join the UFC at the same time when they were in Middle School?

And that lazy bum Makhachev , dont get me started
 
HNIC215 said:
I love GSP but you can say the same thing about him too...

This is the list right until he got into the UFC...
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Half the people in this image fought in the UFC. Like Pratt and menjivar are comparable to the nobodies in Russia with 0 wins that khabib fought when he had like 10 wins lol

Its also 1/3rd of the fights by comparison.
 
HHJ said:
You just a remora fish swimming in Guru's slipstream


YER THE AFTERBIRTH ELI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bruh, dont ever say you are "swimming in Guru's slipstream", are you the mutant fish from the Simpsons?
 
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