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[xhaydenx]

If Volk goes for takedowns to score points he gets submitted. He's chinny too

Volk is chinny how? Because he got dropped by Chad who was one of the hardest hitters in the division, and Max, who can obviously do damage because he has 10 KOs?

 

[xhaydenx]

I like Ortega, but he beat a guy who had no other gameplan other than to leap in with telegraphed 1-2's for 5 rounds. Zombie just isn't that impressive. Guys like Max or Volk would have handled him with complete ease that night.

 

[LetThemBleed]

Volk is chinny how? Because he got dropped by Chad who was one of the hardest hitters in the division, and Max, who can obviously do damage because he has 10 KOs?

Yep, don't see ortega finishing Volk if Max and Chad couldn't. Sure he's dangerous on the ground but Volk will have too much for him on the feet where the vast majority if not all the fight will take place. Doubt we'll see much if any wrestling from Volk.

 

[John makfresshi]

Fixed it for you. You can even pretend you wrote it, I don't mind.

Imagine trying to alpha based on join date and b-league shilling. Then imagine embarrassing yourself with every single reply you make to two separate people. And then imagine thinking you smugly won an argument by declaring a guy who hasn’t beaten a world ranked middleweight since Weidman was a ranked fighter lmfao, as the best 185r in the world. Because that literally just happened ITT. What a shame he hasn’t been banned for trolling or hijacking, or even room temperature IQ. Sherdog is my favorite karate forum but cucks like him really ruin this site for me sometimes

 

[LetThemBleed]

Imagine trying to alpha based on join date and b-league shilling. Then imagine embarrassing yourself with every single reply you make to two separate people. And then imagine thinking you smugly won an argument by declaring a guy who hasn’t beaten a world ranked middleweight since Weidman was a ranked fighter lmfao, as the best 185r in the world. Because that literally just happened ITT. What a shame he hasn’t been banned for trolling or hijacking, or even room temperature IQ. Sherdog is my favorite karate forum but cucks like him really ruin this site for me sometimes

Ah it happens I mean there's a reason the Bellator shills come to the the heavies, they'd otherwise just be agreeing with each other over on the lightweight/worldwide MMA forums about how Bellator really is the best by every measurable metric and how every Bellator champ would destroy their UFC equivalents. Must get sick of the echo chamber.

 

[xhaydenx]

Yep, don't see ortega finishing Volk if Max and Chad couldn't. Sure he's dangerous on the ground but Volk will have too much for him on the feet where the vast majority if not all the fight will take place. Doubt we'll see much if any wrestling from Volk.

Yep, exactly. Korean Zombie is super basic and was still able to keep Ortega fighting on the back foot for five rounds. Volk and Max aren't freaking Zombie.

People are making it out like Ortega is going to take him down and sub him easily, or that Volk will wrestle himself into a submission. Ortega has never been a big take down threat. His wrestling was useless against Max, and a lot of the times he gets his subs from his opponents initiating the grappling for whatever reason. Volk isn't some dumbass who is going to come in with a wrestling heavy gameplan. I'd be surprised if he threw a single takedown or risked too many kicks even.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

I like Ortega, but he beat a guy who had no other gameplan other than to leap in with telegraphed 1-2's for 5 rounds. Zombie just isn't that impressive. Guys like Max or Volk would have handled him with complete ease that night.

That's a horseshit overly simplistic perspective dude

 

[LetThemBleed]

Yep, exactly. Korean Zombie is super basic and was still able to keep Ortega fighting on the back foot for five rounds. Volk and Max aren't freaking Zombie.

People are making it out like Ortega is going to take him down and sub him easily, or that Volk will wrestle himself into a submission. Ortega has never been a big take down threat. His wrestling was useless against Max, and a lot of the times he gets his subs from his opponents initiating the grappling for whatever reason. Volk isn't some dumbass who is going to come in with a wrestling heavy gameplan. I'd be surprised if he threw a single takedown or risked too many kicks even.

I think the low kick will still be there but I agree about the minimal wrestling. Recency bias is real Ortega looked good against Zombie, who even early before the elbow seemed oddly subdued, but I think his striking doesn't compare to Volk's or Max's. People will jump off his train again once he loses.

 

[taugrim]

T-City 2.0's striking game is finally using all that length. After he got mauled by Max I didn't think he had the game.

It looks like his new camp has brought him to another level.

 

[xhaydenx]

That's a horseshit overly simplistic perspective dude

Zombie literally threw the leaping in 1-2 and little else for 5 rounds straight, even though it wasn't working. How is that overly simplistic?

I don't hate Zombie or Ortega at all, but what in that fight gives you any indication that either guy could threaten Max or Volk? Neither Max or Volk are just going to throw the same combination over and over. We already saw what happened when Ortega tried to box with Max. Ortega has certainly improved, but he isn't going to look so good against someone who can strike with more creativity and skill than Zombie.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Zombie literally threw the leaping in 1-2 and little else for 5 rounds straight, even though it wasn't working. How is that overly simplistic?

I don't hate Zombie or Ortega at all, but what in that fight gives you any indication that either guy could threaten Max or Volk? Neither Max or Volk are just going to throw the same combination over and over. We already saw what happened when Ortega tried to box with Max. Ortega has certainly improved, but he isn't going to look so good against someone who can strike with more creativity and skill than Zombie.

Your saying he wasn't that impressive is what I take exception to. If you wanted to say he was one dimensional and unimpressive in attack I might see you there
But his record and known ability to bring good fights in highly impressive to me
what happened here is that Ortega reinvented himself like no other fighter has in my opinion His performance was more than super impressive, it was mind blowing . It was his unpredictability that kept the zombie off balance for the entire fight Unless you forget he was probably 70% (conservative) of what he normally is after that spinning elbow in the 2nd round

he got outclassed this fight but to say he hasn't been impressive to getting here is a fallacy. He is a highly impressive fighter.

 

[maximus__]

Was rewatching the Ortega Zombie fight and cant help but feel like this new Brian Ortega 2.0 is a serious contender for the belt.

He has great fight instincts, striking is improved big time, has good counters(especially that elbow he throws) and on the ground nobody can even come close to his elite level BJJ. He has that Mexican iron chin too. Dude literally has only one loss and its too the former Dominant champ in Holloway.

What impressed me the most was his composure. After coming back from such a long layoff I thought he would be more hesitant but he was on point.

I think this new version of Ortega poses alot of problems for Alexander and he would win a rematch against Max too.

The thing he was missing from that Zombie fight was killer instinct that used to get him all those wins when he was way down on the score cards. He went a little to point fighting for my liking and could have finished Zombie if he went for the kill a couple times. Smart game plan, but it's something I want to see before I am completely sold after what max did to him last time.

I still think Volk 50-45 him, if he gets into a point fighting match. Volk is still better at that and I would think Ortega way to win would be off a lazy shot by Volk.

 

[xhaydenx]

Your saying he wasn't that impressive is what I take exception to. If you wanted to say he was one dimensional and unimpressive in attack I might see you there
But his record and known ability to bring good fights in highly impressive to me
what happened here is that Ortega reinvented himself like no other fighter has in my opinion His performance was more than super impressive, it was mind blowing . It was his unpredictability that kept the zombie off balance for the entire fight Unless you forget he was probably 70% (conservative) of what he normally is after that spinning elbow in the 2nd round

he got outclassed this fight but to say he hasn't been impressive to getting here is a fallacy. He is a highly impressive fighter.

Well, I feel like Zombie's approach makes for fun fights, but it isn't going to cut it at the top. Look at his three wins since he came back: he didn't really take anyone apart. He caught them in a flurry or exchange and got the nice finish from there. Fun fights for sure, but they don't tell you enough about where he is skill wise. The Yair fight was good. He was winning that until the end and that was a good showing, but then, just how good is Yair really? A guy who was squeaking by Bruce Lee Roy just a handful of fights prior.

But I don't really care about Zombie's record personally. It's all about how he did on the night, and how he did was very repetitive, for whatever reason. I feel like he's usually more creative and varied than that.

I didn't really think Ortega was unpredictable at all. He seemed to simply realize what Zombie was doing, and kept back pedaling and landing the counter straights and kicks every now and then. That really shouldn't be that hard when Zombie was barely even bothering to set up any of those repetitive combos.

I respect your opinion though, and I guess we'll see where Ortega is at when he fights Volk. I just don't think the Zombie fight was a good indication of how that one will go.

 

[TripTictonic]

I remember when I first started watching mma lol. That’s cute.

I love how all the top Bellator guys are supposedly the best in the world until they come over to the UFC and get wrecked. This have been proven time and time again. The only one to have success was Eddie, who got his ass kicked by Cowboy in his debut and then wall n’ stalled his way to a TS, before getting melted by Conor. Or vice versa, guys can’t win a belt in the UFC so they go to Bellator to do it. Happens often. Not to say that the Bellator FW division isn’t talented. Pitbull and McKee are fantastic, but the WEC/UFC 145 division is deeper and has always been the cream of the crop, and the current top 15 is as talented as ever.

 

[GueseGuy]

I love how all the top Bellator guys are supposedly the best in the world until they come over to the UFC and get wrecked. This have been proven time and time again. The only one to have success was Eddie, who got his ass kicked by Cowboy in his debut and then wall n’ stalled his way to a TS, before getting melted by Conor. Or vice versa, guys can’t win a belt in the UFC so they go to Bellator to do it. Happens often. Not to say that the Bellator FW division isn’t talented. Pitbull and McKee are fantastic, but the WEC/UFC 145 division is deeper and has always been the cream of the crop, and the current top 15 is as talented as ever.

It’s so cute how you think eddie Alvarez is the only fighter in the UFC who came from Bellator. Very cute.

 

[LetThemBleed]

It’s so cute how you think eddie Alvarez is the only fighter in the UFC who came from Bellator. Very cute.

I can't think of any others that have won a UFC belt. Think you missed the line about success, that's okay though I know you have a hard time reading bud. Least this time you were in the ballpark.

 

[GueseGuy]

I can't think of any others that have won a UFC belt. Think you missed the line about success, that's okay though I know you have a hard time reading bud. Least this time you were in the ballpark.

Is the only measure of “success” in mma to win a UFC belt? I know you’re new but Dan Henderson never won a UFC belt. Neither did Fedor. You should look them up. Very good fighters. Buckley and Holland came from Bellator and they seem to be having “success”

 

[KH4818]

he still could have come out in the 5th and finished him but the docs robbed us of that.

Shut up.

 

[LetThemBleed]

Is the only measure of “success” in mma to win a UFC belt? I know you’re new but Dan Henderson never won a UFC belt. Neither did Fedor. You should look them up. Very good fighters. Buckley and Holland came from Bellator and they seem to be having “success”

Well it's the most important measure yes though I guess you could argue pay is up there as well. Pretty sure neither Buckley nor Holland have won a UFC belt so thanks for providing evidence to support my point. I'm kinda busy looking up Mousasi's fights because you said he was the best MW and LHW in the world. Did you know the best MW in the world lost to Uriah Hall and Lovato Jr? Kinda makes it a rather spurious claim don't you think?

 

[GueseGuy]

Well it's the most important measure yes though I guess you could argue pay is up there as well. Pretty sure neither Buckley nor Holland have won a UFC belt so thanks for providing evidence to support my point. I'm kinda busy looking up Mousasi's fights because you said he was the best MW and LHW in the world. Did you know the best MW in the world lost to Uriah Hall and Lovato Jr? Kinda makes it a rather spurious claim don't you think?

Idk I’d argue that Faber and Cerrone had pretty respectable careers and they never won a UFC belt. Anyhow, yes fighters have lost. Jan has lost to Patrick Cummins and Corey Anderson. It is a sport, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. You’ll notice that as you watch more. What matters is how you respond remember!