264.5 PT 2

[Trabaho]

If i were you I probably wouldn't worry about this too much. I may not have worded my other replies too well. I gotta be really clear here, the most important thing is what suits your personal goals. From what you have said about your goals, namely athleticism and kickboxing, training in a more fluid style may be just fine for you.

I used the term "gym legit" before. It's just a slang type of thing, the key part is the word legit. Around the world I'm sure their are many different ways to get the point across but all it really means is to convey they opposite of strict, it's bro talk. A way off calling out bullshit too.

For example a guy claims he can bench 225 for 6 reps but the first 3 are strict and the last 3 Reps are with a bounce or less than full range of motion or lifting ass off the bench or help from a spotter, they don't count as legit. Myself and many other meatheads are calling BS on his claim, the guy did 3 legit reps. The claim of 6 is like stolen valor, offensive to a weak ego. I'll admit to feeling like that in some cases when I was younger, now I don't give a shit lol.

When I've used the word pause before that simply means keeping the bar completely still for long enough that there is absolutely no momentum effect. Other terms that might be used in casual conversation to convey the meaning might be inertia, dead stop or stored energy.

I have not watched it in a while but here is a video that if I remember correctly explains the ins and outs of the effects of the pause and what's called the Stretch Reflex. You may find it useful to help decide how to train according to your goals. Don't let the title worry you, you may use the bounce as a positive thing towards your personal goals. It applies to many lifts.

I consider bouncing and not full range cheating, doesn't count. Also spotter toching the bar. However I don't agree with the pause, if you lifted it you did. Why would you have to pause. Bouncing is cheating too. Now hard to say at what point it's considered a bounce. The second rep if it is considered a bounce or just monumentum shift. Obvious bouncing is obvious.

In other news that round part of the back muscle is so brutaly sore I can't lift my arms vertically but I struggled trough 1.5h training, just found things to do. Since glutes was also not recovered. However that back thing muscle is sickishly sore. Hurts even while resting or just jogging. No other part of the back. Usually I don't get any types of sore. I literaly can't stretch out my arms above my head. Yesterday nothing, than 1 day delay pure sore. And a specific muscle on both sides.
Hence I mix it up, goal is kickboxing / combat sport athleticism. If you did bodybuilding style split beating muscle groups up seperatedly, how can you daily do kickboxing workouts which are full body. Hence I'm not frying muscle groups seperatedly. I mix it up. Dif goal.

 

[Trabaho]

If i were you I probably wouldn't worry about this too much. I may not have worded my other replies too well. I gotta be really clear here, the most important thing is what suits your personal goals. From what you have said about your goals, namely athleticism and kickboxing, training in a more fluid style may be just fine for you.

I used the term "gym legit" before. It's just a slang type of thing, the key part is the word legit. Around the world I'm sure their are many different ways to get the point across but all it really means is to convey they opposite of strict, it's bro talk. A way off calling out bullshit too.

For example a guy claims he can bench 225 for 6 reps but the first 3 are strict and the last 3 Reps are with a bounce or less than full range of motion or lifting ass off the bench or help from a spotter, they don't count as legit. Myself and many other meatheads are calling BS on his claim, the guy did 3 legit reps. The claim of 6 is like stolen valor, offensive to a weak ego. I'll admit to feeling like that in some cases when I was younger, now I don't give a shit lol.

When I've used the word pause before that simply means keeping the bar completely still for long enough that there is absolutely no momentum effect. Other terms that might be used in casual conversation to convey the meaning might be inertia, dead stop or stored energy.

I have not watched it in a while but here is a video that if I remember correctly explains the ins and outs of the effects of the pause and what's called the Stretch Reflex. You may find it useful to help decide how to train according to your goals. Don't let the title worry you, you may use the bounce as a positive thing towards your personal goals. It applies to many lifts.

My toxic trait ego is to say show me your lift so I can see if you do it better. If you do, I 100% without envy admit it and give props.

 

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Remember this advice


Lift Hard
Be Hard
Go to the club Hard

I always get confused why Goggins is so obsessed with people having erections...

 

[Trabaho]

Also what is cheating about ass of the bench ?

I did it on the third failed rep.
I don't see any ceating with that. If the bar goes all the way down and up. And doesn't do the bounce trick. And spotter doesn't touch.

 

[Trabaho]

My regular sets are slower. This was just to get the challenge. My regular bp lifts have no reflex or what this video says. Unless I rarely do a medium weigh 20 reps than I fully use the "reflex" and just speed it up and down, but not bouncing, just the monumentum reflex thing. It's just to pump it like explosiveness, strength cardio. Also warming up I do quicker sets.

I don't see how the first rep would not count. Second should count too. Esp first one. Second is reflexed. Third doesn't. Cause not completed, spotter interfered. However ass of bench is legit to me. Your arms still lift it.


But I appreciate your time giving this attention and discussing. Nothing wrong with having different views or opinions.

 

[Trabaho]

Also doing it quicker for 8 reps is hard cause it's more output in a shorter time. I often do a long pause if it's a hard set, I pause before the 7th rep to catch some breath and energy. It's all details. But good to know.

 

[1rawdog]

@Trabaho
I may be wrong** but it's starting to sound a bit like you are getting defensive about this. Don't be, you do you. I'm just a guy whose been at it for a very long time and trained tons of people to various levels of success offering my thoughts. I'm not calling you out, I keep mentioning about how you have to do what suits your personal needs.
** I'm cooking while slowly completing this post and just happened to catch this edit, I appreciate that, seems I did misunderstand it's hard to understand intent communicating through posts sometimes, thanks -

But I appreciate your time giving this attention and discussing. Nothing wrong with having different views or opinions.

I already answered about why to pause and I'm pretty sure that vid gives you some pretty good info that you should be able to connect the dots with.

Lifting your ass changes the angle and turns it into a decline bench press which is a different exercise, most people are stronger that way. That's why you do it without even consciously thinking about it.

 

[Trabaho]

@Trabaho
I may be wrong** but it's starting to sound a bit like you are getting defensive about this. Don't be, you do you. I'm just a guy whose been at it for a very long time and trained tons of people to various levels of success offering my thoughts. I'm not calling you out, I keep mentioning about how you have to do what suits your personal needs.
** I'm cooking while slowly completing this post and just happened to catch this edit, I appreciate that, seems I did misunderstand it's hard to understand intent communicating through posts sometimes, thanks -



I already answered about why to pause and I'm pretty sure that vid gives you some pretty good info that you should be able to connect the dots with.

Lifting your ass changes the angle and turns it into a decline bench press which is a different exercise, most people are stronger that way. That's why you do it without even consciously thinking about it.

Why are you talking about my ass ?