Elections 26 FBI Informants Present on Jan 6

Calling for fed commissions and audits on the 66M mail in ballots? Yeah I see that. We could rehash 2016 when some congressional dems called for rejection of the outcome. Ultimately neither went anywhere. Never heard the number 150. Remember the senate there were a dozen or so. Not to say that Biden didn't win but federal review of results and audits. Anyway, I'm also not someone that thinks it needs rehashing. Biden WAS my president in 2021.
Hold on a sec, you're not trying to equate Trump's attempt to prevent the peaceful transfer of power as a sitting president in 2020 to the 2016 transition are you? That would be wildly unfair.

Obama fully cooperated in the transition to the Trump presidency while Trump tried to stop Biden from taking office.
 
Hold on a sec, you're not trying to equate Trump's attempt to prevent the peaceful transfer of power as a sitting president in 2020 to the 2016 transition are you? That would be wildly unfair.

Obama fully cooperated in the transition to the Trump presidency while Trump tried to stop Biden from taking office.
I'm saying that there's was an attempt to object. Yes he did but congress will do what it does. Obama absolutely accepted it.
 
I'm saying that there's was an attempt to object. Yes he did but congress will do what it does. Obama absolutely accepted it.
There wasn't an illegal scheme to overturn Trump's win the way there was in 2020 when Trump tried to stop Biden from taking office, the two things are not remotely comparable. To this day Trump won't accept the results of the 2020 election.
The law meaning decisions made.
So that part you're unsure of but you're definitely sure that it can't take years to build a case, especially a uniquely sensitive one centered on a former president?
 
There wasn't an illegal scheme to overturn Trump's win the way there was in 2020 when Trump tried to stop Biden from taking office, the two things are not remotely comparable. To this day Trump won't accept the results of the 2020 election.

So that part you're unsure of but you're definitely sure that it can't take years to build a case, especially a uniquely sensitive one centered on a former president?
All that was desired was an oversight and to stop the process to review imo. If it takes years, I havent seen it charges are pretty quick then the sides will collect more info. Years is a stretch. The govt can when they want can do miraculous things. Come on bruh. Just stop.
 
All that was desired was an oversight and to stop the process to review imo.
But your opinion is wrong, Trump exhausted all his legal options and decided to commit crimes to stop the transfer of power culminating in Jan 6th.
If it takes years, I havent seen it charges are pretty quick then the sides will collect more info. Years is a stretch. The govt can when they want can do miraculous things. Come on bruh. Just stop.
Stop what? You're the one making baseless assumptions while I've provided evidence of Trump's scheme that you just ignore. Can't you see how that's kind of frustrating from my POV?
 
But your opinion is wrong, Trump exhausted all his legal options and decided to commit crimes to stop the transfer of power culminating in Jan 6th.

Stop what? You're the one making baseless assumptions while I've provided evidence of Trump's scheme that you just ignore. Can't you see how that's kind of frustrating from my POV?
As are you imo. The fact even you say all the public stuff he did was just charged just before election year says something. I can see you are frustrated but I'm being as honest as I can be.
 
As are you imo.
But the difference is I've provided evidence of my claims, evidence you've ignored, while you have not as far as I can tell. Is there any evidence of your claims you think I'm dismissing unfairly?
The fact even you say all the public stuff he did was just charged just before election year says something. I can see you are frustrated but I'm being as honest as I can be.
What does it say? And what are you basing that on besides your gut feeling?
 
But the difference is I've provided evidence of my claims, evidence you've ignored, while you have not as far as I can tell. Is there any evidence of your claims you think I'm dismissing unfairly?

What does it say? And what are you basing that on besides your gut feeling?
I'm saying that he wasn't charged at the time but just before and election year. If they thought it was a slam dunk they would have.

I'm basing it on typical charges filed based on the evidence out there which it was vs collecting more after charging... this did seem political imo based on the timing
 
I'm saying that he wasn't charged at the time but just before and election year. If they thought it was a slam dunk they would have.

I'm basing it on typical charges filed based on the evidence out there which it was vs collecting more after charging... this did seem political imo based on the timing
So in other words based on your speculation you think it's political? Is there any evidence for this like leaked documents suggesting political intent? If anything the timing to me looks like they wanted to avoid the appearance of political persecution by giving it time instead of immediately going after Trump.

Either way we have clear evidence Trump tried to prevent the transfer of power, that doesn't bother you at all?
 
So in other words based on your speculation you think it's political? Is there any evidence for this like leaked documents suggesting political intent? If anything the timing to me looks like they wanted to avoid the appearance of political persecution by giving it time instead of immediately going after Trump.

Either way we have clear evidence Trump tried to prevent the transfer of power, that doesn't bother you at all?
Me and most in America. It's why he was voted in again in part imo. Challenging an election doesn't mean criminal imo.
 
Me and most in America. It's why he was voted in again in part imo.
If you think there's nothing wrong with trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, as evidenced by your voting for Trump, that's fine but we should at least be clear eyed and honest about what happened right?
Challenging an election doesn't mean criminal imo.
But that's not all he did and I showed you evidence of that, he tried to use extra legal means to overturn the election culminating in Jan 6th.

For example, there's the call to Raffensperger you haven't addressed yet or the fake electors he organized some of whom were convicted of crimes. Then there's his clear calls for Mike Pence to break the law to keep him in power

None of this is speculation on my part, I can source all these claims and more and I'd be more than happy to. But increasingly I get the sense that no amount of evidence or patience on my end can make you budge even an inch.
 
If you think there's nothing wrong with trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power, as evidenced by your voting for Trump, that's fine but we should at least be clear eyed and honest about what happened right?

But that's not all he did and I showed you evidence of that, he tried to use extra legal means to overturn the election culminating in Jan 6th.

For example, there's the call to Raffensperger you haven't addressed yet or the fake electors he organized some of whom were convicted of crimes. Then there's his clear calls for Mike Pence to break the law to keep him in power

None of this is speculation on my part, I can source all these claims and more and I'd be more than happy to. But increasingly I get the sense that no amount of evidence or patience on my end can make you budge even an inch.
Extra legal means that saw no charges at the time. The call is left to interpretation and he fake electors were convicted for that unlike Trump. I dont know what involvement the had there and we were only told that he couldn't be charged on it but no evidence displayed. Did many think that the voting was suspect when 65 million votes had to be hand counted checked and verified? Yes. Again, it's why Trump won convincingly in this recent election. You seem to think that I'm the only one to think this way. But most saw the charges brought on Trump as largely political. The New York stuff even guys like Andrew cuomo and many on the left said they wouldn't have been brought on anyone else. Overall most feel this was all done recently to prevent Trump from running. This is why America voted the way it did this time. If they had so many doubts then likely peeps would have just stayed home. They didn't and he won convincingly. The biggest win since 04 for a Republican and both sides of congress turned over to one side. I'm not trying to exonerate or condemn him here. But enough people felt the same way I did because he is back in. I know that chaps some but that's the truth.
 
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