Elections 2032 is going to be very bad for Dems

[Aurelian]

It's funny how the strategy isn't "Let's improve our policies and become more likable". It's "lets flood swing states because we cant win any other way".

 

[HereticBD]

You think the 1820s is recent? That's when winner take all took off.

And you're trying to back out: It's a simple yes or no. Are MPs allowed to freely vote without fear of legal punishment? In the US, most states legally bind electors to vote a certain way.

LOL, just stop. You're fishing for some technicality that doesn't even matter. The MP's rubber stamp the results of the election, much like the electoral college does.

This is what I said regarding the popular vote.

Only after I challenged you, and you started nickel and diming over the definition. Nobody is fooled over what you meant by "Popular Vote", which is a straight up popular vote among the entire voting population. Not a parliamentary system that you're so desperately trying to qualify as a popular vote...that you're not confident in, even though according to you, it's a popular vote.

You're only arguing over it, because I called out your laughable claim that Canada(and every other established democracy) uses a popular vote. They don't. You're wrong. Deal with it.

 

[avenue94]

LOL, just stop. You're fishing for some technicality that doesn't even matter. The MP's rubber stamp the results of the election, much like the electoral college does.

Sounds like your conceding that, yes, MP's are allowed to vote as they please without fear of legal penalties.

How would you describe this vote for the current PM of Canada? It's clearly a popular vote among party members.

Not a parliamentary system that you're so desperately trying to qualify as a popular vote...that you're not confident in, even though according to you, it's a popular vote.

It's literally a popular vote. The eligible voting population votes, ergo it's a popular vote. Jesus the state of Canadian civic lessons must be awful if you're any indication.

 

[HereticBD]

The eligible voting population votes, ergo it's a popular vote.

By that amazing logic, the US is also a popular vote.

My God, you're dumb.

 

[avenue94]

By that amazing logic, the US is also a popular vote.

My God, you're dumb.

Except once again, electors in 48 of the states are not allowed to vote freely.

Good job on being so confidently wrong despite admitting that you don't even know what the definition of a popular vote is.

You didn't even know that most states adopted winner takes all over a century ago. "recent" my ass.

Yes, and I believe the electoral college was too, up until recently.

 

[ermac88]

There's an exodus of people moving out of blue states and moving into red states, which will ultimately increase electoral votes for the GOP in the future.

2032 is going to be the next year for census and all signs are pointing towards a very bad time for Democrats.

How can Democrats turn things around and keep people from leaving blue states? More importantly, how are they going to bring them back? There's not even a fart of a plan on how to do this. Nobody on the left is even talking about it, the first step to fixing an issue.

This is a bizarre prediction

People are moving out of places like CA and NY because they are densely populated and EXPENSIVE. Cities like LA county have more people than most states and higher GDPs

What do you think happens when educated, upwardly mobile people with good incomes moves to poorer states?

Further 10 years is a long time

Ten years ago the idea of a reality star becoming president was absurd and the republican party was completely different


Ten years from now, trump will be dead or fully consumed by dementia, and without an actual political ideology, maga will almost certainly be dead with him

 

[curryjunkie]

It's funny how the strategy isn't "Let's improve our policies and become more likable". It's "lets flood swing states because we cant win any other way".

You think people moving state is a Democrat strategy? Is Soros paying them to up sticks?

 

[Aurelian]

You think people moving state is a Democrat strategy? Is Soros paying them to up sticks?

It's been mentioned in this thread a couple times at least.

By the way, where can I get in on this Soros money? Asking for a friend.

 

[HereticBD]

You didn't even know that most states adopted winner takes all over a century ago. "recent" my ass.

Uh-huh, and the SC just recently cemented it for everyone. Which begs the question, what's your problem with it? Are you arguing that it would better if the EC members were able to overrule the will of the people? That seems to be the argument you're making with the parliamentary system. You're all over the place here, because you can't just admit that you were wrong about other nations having a popular vote.

 

[avenue94]

Which begs the question, what's your problem with it?

It leads to way too many wasted votes and incentivizes candidates to focus only on swing states, instead of assembling as broad a coalition as possible.

Why do you think no other country currently uses an electoral college? It's archaic

Are you arguing that it would better if the EC members were able to overrule the will of the people?

Eliminated it completely.

That seems to be the argument you're making with the parliamentary system.

No my argument is that parliamentary systems tend to encourage kingmaker parties that would otherwise be irrelevant due to a lack of support. Unifying the executive and legislative is also unusual by American standards.

You're all over the place here, because you can't just admit that you were wrong about other nations having a popular vote.

How was your current prime minister chosen, if not by a combination of popular vote of his party and a previous popular vote of MPs?

 

[ermac88]

You think people moving state is a Democrat strategy? Is Soros paying them to up sticks?

It's been mentioned in this thread a couple times at least.

By the way, where can I get in on this Soros money? Asking for a friend.

Is this Soros on the forum with us?

Why can't he be more vocal with his elitist agenda?
Like Musk?

 

[UberHere]

It's funny how the strategy isn't "Let's improve our policies and become more likable". It's "lets flood swing states because we cant win any other way".

And even that hasn’t been working

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Wrong... But please keep thinking that. You realize the over-all number of voters were almost the same from 2020 to 2024?

Several major border towns that have been historically heavy blue went Red

There were heavy shifts to Red in across several historically blue Texas counties.

Trump’s near sweep of Texas border counties shows a shift to the right for Latino voters​

The former president captured 55% of Latino voters in the state, according to exit polls. He also won 14 out of the 18 counties within 20 miles of the border, a number that doubled his 2020 performance in the Latino-majority region

Trump’s near sweep of Texas border counties shows a shift to the right for Latino voters - The Texas Tribune

The former president captured 55% of Latino voters in the state, according to exit polls. He also won 14 out of the 18 counties within 20 miles of the border, a number that doubled his 2020 performance in the Latino-majority region.

www.texastribune.org

Texas Democrats have long viewed the state’s growing Latino population as their ticket to eventually breaking through the Republican Party’s dominance. Tuesday night, however, showed that the GOP has made significant gains in peeling away those voters, and nowhere was that more apparent than along the border.

After years of losing the statewide Latino vote by double digits, Republicans set a high-water mark with Donald Trump capturing 55% of the critical voting bloc, besting Vice President Kamala Harris’ 44% share, according to exit polls.

In the traditionally Democratic strongholds along the border, Trump managed a near sweep.

How Republicans managed to flip Texas’ Rio Grande Valley​

Perhaps the biggest Texas takeaway from the presidential election is that more counties went Republican this cycle — specifically in the Rio Grande Valley and surrounding areas.

How Republicans managed to flip Texas’ Rio Grande Valley | Houston Public Media

Perhaps the biggest Texas takeaway from the presidential election is that more counties went Republican this cycle — specifically in the Rio Grande Valley and surrounding areas. Experts say it’s the culmination of a years-long GOP strategy.

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

This isn't the first time these kinds of predictions have been made.

George W. Bush was even more popular with Latinos (Jeb's wife is Mexican) in Texas than Trump, and in the early 2000s, it was predicted that the Republicans' "conservative, Christian, family values" would gel perfectly with Latinos' and a long alliance would form.

But the Obama elections and even the first Trump one proved otherwise:

Once Trump is gone, Republican numbers will go right back down. Vance, Haley, or De Santis are a lot more like McCain and Romney than they are Trump.

 

[Aurelian]

Is this Soros on the forum with us?

Why can't he be more vocal with his elitist agenda?
Like Musk?

I never actually brought up Soros, the other poster did. But the question still stands, where the hell can I get in on this Soros money at?

 

[Rob Battisti]

What "democracies" are you talking about? Turkey?

The ignorance of people. America is not a democracy. We are a republic. The idea of a pure majority rule is appalling.

 

[avenue94]

The ignorance of people. America is not a democracy. We are a republic. The idea of a pure majority rule is appalling.

What's the difference between a democracy and a republic when it comes to the US?

I'm going to guess you're unfamiliar with their definitions and don't realize they are not exclusive.

 

[Rob Battisti]

What's the difference between a democracy and a republic when it comes to the US?

I'm going to guess you're unfamiliar with their definitions and don't realize they are not exclusive.

We are a democratic republic. We elect representatives and don’t have direct democracy.

More specifically, we are a constitutional republic.

 

[avenue94]

We are a democratic republic. We elect representatives and don’t have direct democracy.

More specifically, we are a constitutional republic.

Yup, you don't know what these terms mean.

A republic means representative government, or in practical terms not a monarchy.

Democracy just refers to having elections to pick the government, at least if you're using the minimalist definition.

Saying "We're a republic" means next to nothing in the context of democracy. And trying to be an edgy teenager and arguing that the US isn't a democracy is even more meaningless.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Yup, you don't know what these terms mean.

A republic means representative government, or in practical terms not a monarchy.

Democracy just refers to having elections to pick the government, at least if you're using the minimalist definition.

Saying "We're a republic" means next to nothing in the context of democracy. And trying to be an edgy teenager and arguing that the US isn't a democracy is even more meaningless.

wtf are you talking about. I literally posted that it’s appalling to have a direct democracy in a response to a poster saying we should have majority rule.

We are not a pure democracy. We are a constitutional republic. We have varying forms of Democratic elections to select representatives to lead our government.

Very rarely, and typically at the local level, do we ever have direct democratic rule.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Can someone come get @avenue94? He needs help.