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Croaker said:
Even uses my lines like a true fan
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No idea what you're babbling about.

You spent 17 accounts just to be near me. Stay close.

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The Servant said:
MVP isn't a legit award, things like fatigue and racism and narrative are the biggest drivers... Its kind of a participation trophy at this point for any top 5 player in the league whos got a good story this year
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It’s all subjective which is the problem. Not to mention it’s not a true measure of a player that is most “valuable.” This often isn’t the same as the best player in the league so it confuses many.
 
MM808 said:
It’s all subjective which is the problem. Not to mention it’s not a true measure of a player that is most “valuable.” This often isn’t the same as the best player in the league so it confuses many.
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They should come up with a formula, and just apply it, and see what happens. The winner being the winner, regardless of team or story. Or at the least, come up with a formula that takes into account statistics, advanced analytics, wins/losses, etc., then at least let the voters see the results of the formula before they vote.
 
MusterX said:
They should come up with a formula, and just apply it, and see what happens. The winner being the winner, regardless of team or story. Or at the least, come up with a formula that takes into account statistics, advanced analytics, wins/losses, etc., then at least let the voters see the results of the formula before they vote.
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Agreed they should come up with something but it is still tough. It would be hard to ignore if a guy who has the best numbers in the league is on a mediocre or bad team. Or if a guy has the best numbers but also has a great team or all stars around them. Idk what the answer is.
 
MM808 said:
Agreed they should come up with something but it is still tough. It would be hard to ignore if a guy who has the best numbers in the league is on a mediocre or bad team. Or if a guy has the best numbers but also has a great team or all stars around them. Idk what the answer is.
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For sure, nothing is perfect, they could bake "seed" into the formula, so that #2 is worth more than say #6, but also make it a lesser requirement, meaning seed counts but its not weighted as high as say, individual statistics. I don't know man, it would be something that is doable, and makes sense.

Or maybe stop appointing voters that are not great at putting personal feelings aside. Perk, for example should have his voting rights stripped.
 
MM808 said:
It’s all subjective which is the problem. Not to mention it’s not a true measure of a player that is most “valuable.” This often isn’t the same as the best player in the league so it confuses many.
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I'd agree with this. It's subjective, and the term valuable means different things to different people. I heard someone say it's how much winning a team does, and how much the best person on that team is responsible for the winning that team does, and I personally think that's right.

The thing is quite often the "best" player in the league, let's say defined as the player GMs would pick first to build a team around that year to win a title that year, is often, but def not always the most valuable in terms of how much winning a team does and how much they are responsible for it.

I'll respectfully disagree with @The Servant in that I don't believe narrative is GENERALLY the biggest driver. It tends to be the biggest driver only once in a while, most notably in recent history when a player is potentially gonna win it three times in a row i.e. Lebron 2010-2011, Jokic last year, Jordan 1992-1993 etc. That's overwhelmingly when the WS/48 and PER trends get busted up (not that they even had those metrics in the 90s, but even looking in the rear view mirror you see it). I think voters do get it right based on merit 80% of the time. The voters and league do like to share it more than they should since people like new and fresh stories, and it helps marketing more players; I don't think anybody could rationally dispute that.

@MusterX At the gym today this popped in my algo, some took the time to post a response to the video you posted. BTW Luka has made the advance to number 3 in the BR model. SGA dropped to 4.

 
Unknown Pleasures said:
I'd agree with this. It's subjective, and the term valuable means different things to different people. I heard someone say it's how much winning a team does, and how much the best person on that team is responsible for the winning that team does, and I personally think that's right.

The thing is quite often the "best" player in the league, let's say defined as the player GMs would pick first to build a team around that year to win a title that year, is often, but def not always the most valuable in terms of how much winning a team does and how much they are responsible for it.

I'll respectfully disagree with @The Servant in that I don't believe narrative is GENERALLY the biggest driver. It tends to be the biggest driver only once in a while, most notably in recent history when a player is potentially gonna win it three times in a row i.e. Lebron 2010-2011, Jokic last year, Jordan 1992-1993 etc. That's overwhelmingly when the WS/48 and PER trends get busted up (not that they even had those metrics in the 90s, but even looking in the rear view mirror you see it). I think voters do get it right based on merit 80% of the time. The voters and league do like to share it more than they should since people like new and fresh stories, and it helps marketing more players; I don't think anybody could rationally dispute that.

@MusterX At the gym today this popped in my algo, some took the time to post a response to the video you posted. BTW Luka has made the advance to number 3 in the BR model. SGA dropped to 4.

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Yea I've known pretty much for a couple seasons now best player comes down to Joker/Luka, and despite Joker's absurd analytics, I would still take Luka over Jokic because of his ability to drop nuclear points. Just my preference. That said, Luka's points generated from scoring and assists is the most since 1972, and his 70 point explosion was the most efficient in history, and he also set the record for most consecutive 30 point triple doubles, all three of those things happening this season.
 
MM808 said:
They have been playing much better lately tbh. But I’m still skeptical because they have had literally the easiest strength of schedule since their bad streak. Just need to try to avoid the play-in.
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MusterX said:
Maybe, they are away games but the Mavs are playing their best basketball right now, 8-1 in their last 9 games and over a broader sample, 16-6 over their last 22. I think there is a good chance its a split 1-1.
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Yeah they are playing their best basketball for ages, and I love this new offensive style - so exciting.

I've just been trepidatious because a lot of games against bad teams have been harder than what they should have, plus still very vulnerable defensively. The Jazz suck, and they were outplaying the mavs for long stretches.

The next two games with the kings should be awesome, because it's a big deal for both teams, a mini play in for the sixth spot, if you will.
 
Sweater of AV said:
Need to hear prime fican's opinion on MVP before I decide.

@fica who do you think is the MVP this year?
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I am flattered but not interested to give points to people who watch players/athletes for their physique then they skill. It is really unseteling for grown ass man to be in awwww of how tall somebody is or how big of his biseps are. It is weird to me but muricans see competition in that so be it
 
fica said:
I am flattered but not interested to give points to people who watch players/athletes for their physique then they skill. It is really unseteling for grown ass man to be in awwww of how tall somebody is or how big of his biseps are. It is weird to me but muricans see competition in that so be it
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No worries, thanks bud.
 
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