Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[Fox by the Sea]

The 2004 primaries: where are they now
Kerry: board of Bank of America
Dean: MEK lobbyist
Lieberman: Chinese telecom lobbyist
Gephardt: health insurance lobbyist
Clark: ethanol lobbyist

 

[Sketch]

All that money scammed and wasted. Amazing really.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Love this man

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[LuchaBear]

Change from Jan 18:

Pete +3
Bernie +3
Biden -9
Warren -3






Huge for Bernie

 

[Sano]

Change from Jan 18:

Pete +3
Bernie +3
Biden -9
Warren -3






Huge for Bernie

Focus On Rural Americas polling has been extremely poor so far, but we'll see.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It’s entirely possible imo. They may believe he’s unelectable and that he’d take the party in a bad direction even if he wins. It’s hard to build a coalition around progressives who don’t consider themselves Democrats and blast members of their own party. The guy won’t even join the party.

As you know I’m perfectly comfortable with Bernie and he’s far more practical than people make him out to be.

The whole issue shows how these crazy narratives get out of control. Once the Bernie fanatics become convinced that all other Democrats are out to get him, any Democrat expressing concern about his chances of winning or preference for any other candidate gets interpreted through that lens and is seen as confirming the conspiracy. And it's virtually impossible to get people out of that confirmation-bias rut once they're in.

 

[xcvbn]

Change from Jan 18:

Pete +3
Bernie +3
Biden -9
Warren -3






Huge for Bernie

I’ll wait for Booty Boy to cry about this poll

 

[Trotsky]

Labor Unions for Bernie just posted that Sanders won all delegates in the first (rural) caucus site. No idea if accurate.

 

[kpt018]

The whole issue shows how these crazy narratives get out of control. Once the Bernie fanatics become convinced that all other Democrats are out to get him, any Democrat expressing concern about his chances of winning or preference for any other candidate gets interpreted through that lens and is seen as confirming the conspiracy. And it's virtually impossible to get people out of that confirmation-bias rut once they're in.

Exactly. And I don’t buy the DNC machine has an obligation to get behind him until he actually wins the nomination and even then they still have a party to protect. He refuses to call himself a Democrat and holds views that will get many Democrats in the coalition killed in their next elections. Imagine being a moderate Dem in a red state or dark purple (like Ohio) and being forced by Bernie and gang to take positions or votes on stuff that won’t get passed.

I really hope these Bernie fanatics understand that they need a coalition, which includes moderates, to get anything done and the view that they’re also the enemy and no better than Republicans (looking at the squad here) is a path to Republican power.

I also just want to repeat I think Bernie is more practical than his crazy fans are. I think they’re in for sever disappointment if he wins (or loses!).

 

[Sausage_Carius]

Knives out? This primary has been very tame.

And I’m referring to unity within the party not the unity Biden claims he can bring between Dems and Reps. I don’t believe he’s that naive and it’s political (voters like to hear you’re willing to work with the other party) but if he is serious it’s obviously delusional. I’m not predicting this will happen but it looks like Dems are concerned that Bernie will tear apart their coalition, which would inevitably lead to Republican rule. But I trust they know a lot more about those dynamics than I do.

No I understood your reference and my point matched it. I don't understand how you can get that confused by assuming I'm talking about Biden. Very odd take on what I wrote considering how crystal clear it was.

If you mean Democrats that are made up of a coalition of mild Republicans who vote for social wedge issues to a point where they demand unity over it above all else then yes. Funny enough, or not that funny if you understood history, the Republican party did the exact same thing with the Southern Strategy except the Dems are using a combination of social wedge issues with empty platitudes to mirror them.

This is basically the Democratic voters' last chance to stop that from happening.

Expect fuckery.

 

[franklinstower]

Exactly. And I don’t buy the DNC machine has an obligation to get behind him until he actually wins the nomination and even then they still have a party to protect. He refuses to call himself a Democrat and holds views that will get many Democrats in the coalition killed in their next elections. Imagine being a moderate Dem in a red state or dark purple (like Ohio) and being forced by Bernie and gang to take positions or votes on stuff that won’t get passed.

I really hope these Bernie fanatics understand that they need a coalition, which includes moderates, to get anything done and the view that they’re also the enemy and no better than Republicans (looking at the squad here) is a path to Republican power.

I also just want to repeat I think Bernie is more practical than his crazy fans are. I think they’re in for sever disappointment if he wins (or loses!).

I'm pretty sure that Bernie wants to change the face of the democratic party not protect it. I may be wrong but I am pretty sure Bernie welcomes the loss of as many centrist dems as possible and hopes to replace as many as possible with progressives.

From what I can gather the plan is to continue the revolution and takeover of the democratic government by progressives, including campaigning against centrist democrats by leading the revolution from the bully pulpit.

I say pretty sure here because i have heard him address all of these points in the affirmative but don't follow this nearly as closely as many others so I don't know what else has been said.

If Bernie wins the real fight will only have begun I think.

 

[kpt018]

No I understood your reference and my point matched it. I don't understand how you can get that confused by assuming I'm talking about Biden. Very odd take on what I wrote considering how crystal clear it was.

If you mean Democrats that are made up of a coalition of mild Republicans who vote for social wedge issues to a point where they demand unity over it above all else then yes. Funny enough, or not that funny if you understood history, the Republican party did the exact same thing with the Southern Strategy except the Dems are using a combination of social wedge issues with empty platitudes to mirror them.

This is basically the Democratic voters' last chance to stop that from happening.

Expect fuckery.

Biden is the one making the unity argument so I assume you were talking about him. What were you referring to then? Quite frankly your posts are all over the place and hard to follow.

I don’t even know what you’re referring to here.

 

[kpt018]

I'm pretty sure that Bernie wants to change the face of the democratic party not protect it. I may be wrong but I am pretty sure Bernie welcomes the loss of as many centrist dems as possible and hopes to replace as many as possible with progressives.

From what I can gather the plan is to continue the revolution and takeover of the democratic government by progressives, including campaigning against centrist democrats by leading the revolution from the bully pulpit.

If Bernie wins the real fight will only have begun I think.

Well if I’m wrong and he does as you say it would be an utter disaster. At best he’d get nothing done and at worst he’d have Republicans back in power in no time.

 

[franklinstower]

Well if I’m wrong and he does as you say it would be an utter disaster. At best he’d get nothing done and at worst he’d have Republicans back in power in no time.

He has spoken openly about all of this. It may do you some good to listen to him and some progressive sites that cover his policies in depth and honestly, as this is what we all know is coming and I am surprised people like you who are generally more informed than me dont know it.

 

[Sausage_Carius]

Biden is the one making the unity argument so I assume you were talking about him. What were you referring to then? Quite frankly your posts are all over the place and hard to follow.

I don’t even know what you’re referring to here.

If you don't know then you aren't following politics very much which is understandable.

The unity argument didn't come from Biden nor is it exclusive to him currently. The unity argument came from the Clinton and Obama camps and others either used it as their own or took up the flag and waved it in people's faces over the past year in the MSM and social media.

Which of the other parts confuses you? All you have to remember is the Democrats are trying to mirror the Southern Strategy with their own twist.

 

[kpt018]

He has spoken openly about all of this. It may do you some good to listen to him and some progressive sites that cover his policies in depth and honestly, as this is what we all know is coming and I am surprised people like you who are generally more informed than me dont know it.

What the fuck are you talking about? I’m well aware of what Bernie is about and what he’s said. I don’t think he’s stupid enough to destroy the Democratic Party. He’d guarantee himself to be a one term president if he did.

What I’m saying is I don’t think his rhetoric will match his actions. And I said I could be wrong.

What’s your problem dude?

 

[kpt018]

If you don't know then you aren't following politics very much which is understandable.

The unity argument didn't come from Biden nor is it exclusive to him currently. The unity argument came from the Clinton and Obama camps and others either used it as their own or took up the flag and waved it in people's faces over the past year in the MSM and social media.

Which of the other parts confuses you? All you have to remember is the Democrats are trying to mirror the Southern Strategy with their own twist.

Jesus, is being a dick a requirement to posting on Sherdog?

I was asking what you were referring to. I’m not a fucking mind reader. I assume you are talking about the current state and not history.

I am posting about the current race. Hillary and Obama are not running bud.

 

[franklinstower]

What the fuck are you talking about? I’m well aware of what Bernie is about and what he’s said. I don’t think he’s stupid enough to destroy the Democratic Party. He’d guarantee himself to be a one term president if he did.

What I’m saying is I don’t think his rhetoric will match his actions. And I said I could be wrong.

What’s your problem dude?

You have misunderstood me. I am not fucking with you man. Not at all. I meant it when I said you are generally more informed than me.

I am just saying that it is KNOWN that Bernie sees the presidency as the beginning of the revolution and not its culmination. He will help primarily corporate dems and support progressives. He wants to change the entire democratic party forever.

This is what he is doing

He will compromise in areas of policy in order to get things done-- obviously. He has spoken openly about this often too. But the larger goal is a big part of the mission.

 

[kpt018]

You have misunderstood me. I am not fucking with you man. Not at all. I meant it when I said you are generally more informed than me.

I am just saying that it is KNOWN that Bernie sees the presidency as the beginning of the revolution and not its culmination. He will primarily corporate dems and support progressives. He wants to change the entire democratic party forever.

This is what he is doing

He will compromise in areas of policy in order to get things done-- obviously. He has spoken openly about this often too. But the larger goal is a big part of the mission.

Ok cool, just checking!

I’m worried about that goal. It’s one thing to create change through ideas and convince the country you’re on the right side. It’s another to attack a coalition you’ll need and effectively see a scenario like Obama faced under Republican congressional control. If he wants to axe Klobachar, Bennet, Jones, Manchin, etc. he guarantees Republican control. Good luck getting a progressive to win in red or dark purple states.

I don’t think it’s possible to turn rural states into progressive ones in 4 years. I’d love to be wrong though.