Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[franklinstower]

Ok cool, just checking!

I’m worried about that goal. It’s one thing to create change through ideas and convince the country you’re on the right side. It’s another to attack a coalition you’ll need and effectively see a scenario like Obama faced under Republican congressional control. If he wants to axe Klobachar, Bennet, Jones, Manchin, etc. he guarantees Republican control. Good luck getting a progressive to win in red or dark purple states.

I don’t think it’s possible to turn rural states into progressive ones in 4 years. I’d love to be wrong though.

Well I obviously do not know the exact details of his plans but he has said these things for sure. I have heard people say that the mistake Obama made (assuming he ever wanted to pass progressive policies) is that he did not really use his grassroots movement to pressure and enact real change.

Bernie plans to use the presidency in this way to a degree previously unheard of.

 

[kpt018]

Well I obviously do not know the exact details of his plans but he has said these things for sure. I have heard people say that the mistake Obama made (assuming he ever wanted to pass progressive policies) is that he did not really use his grassroots movement to pressure and enact real change.

Bernie plans to use the presidency in this way to a degree previously unheard of.

Well let’s hope if he’s the nominee he doesn’t scare people off that would otherwise vote for him!!

 

[franklinstower]

Well let’s hope if he’s the nominee he doesn’t scare people off that would otherwise vote for him!!

I think most of his polices have majority of american support. Think about how crappy and dishonest the MSM coverage is of Bennie and yet he is still the most popular and trusted Senator in the whole country.

Imagine when Bernie has the ability to speak directly to the people and cut out the bullshit.... I think people want what Bernie wants more than any other politician too especially if they are told the truth about the policies.

I think his popularity will only grow and not diminish. I think he is our chance of actually making america great again.

 

[Sausage_Carius]

Jesus, is being a dick a requirement to posting on Sherdog?

I was asking what you were referring to. I’m not a fucking mind reader. I assume you are talking about the current state and not history.

I am posting about the current race. Hillary and Obama are not running bud.

Man you have no idea what's going on whatsoever.

I don't have time to get you up to speed. You seem way too stressed to be able to comprehend anything anybody is writing.

 

[kpt018]

Man you have no idea what's going on whatsoever.

I don't have time to get you up to speed. You seem way too stressed to be able to comprehend anything anybody is writing.

Lol

I already told you that I disagree with your "knives out" view and that the entire primary has been really tame. So that renders your whole point meaningless.

What is the key disagreement between us? If you don't want to clarify, fine, but stop bitching about it then.

 

[PEB]

So much for the democratic establishment claims the Rogan an Sanders are homophobic. We see examples were both of them defended gay rights.

 

[b34stmode]

I think most of his polices have majority of american support. Think about how crappy and dishonest the MSM coverage is of Bennie and yet he is still the most popular and trusted Senator in the whole country.

Imagine when Bernie has the ability to speak directly to the people and cut out the bullshit.... I think people want what Bernie wants more than any other politician too especially if they are told the truth about the policies.

I think his popularity will only grow and not diminish. I think he is our chance of actually making america great again.

I lold. You think Bernie will make America great again? A guy who rolled over right into a grave after Hillary screwed him out of DNC nomination...?

 

[Sausage_Carius]

Lol

I already told you that I disagree with your "knives out" view and that the entire primary has been really tame. So that renders your whole point meaningless.

What is the key disagreement between us? If you don't want to clarify, fine, but stop bitching about it then.

You can disagree till the cows come home. Doesn't change what's happening on the ground. Can get you a bucket of sand if you like.

 

[franklinstower]

I lold. You think Bernie will make America great again? A guy who rolled over right into a grave after Hillary screwed him out of DNC nomination...?

Yes I do. He is today's FDR and not least importantly he will restore honesty and integrity to the office of the presidency and probably wont even have to speak about doing that in order to do so.

I don't accept the framing of the rest of your post and am not going to entertain it.

 

[kpt018]

You can disagree till the cows come home. Doesn't change what's happening on the ground. Can get you a bucket of sand if you like.

See, I think you're being purposefully vague and then insulting, which means you're probably posting in bad faith.

What is the disagreement between us? I think compared to typical primaries this has been very tame in terms of opponents attacking each other. If you disagree, what is an example of "knives out"? Personally, I think the candidates have been soft on Bernie.

As far as following politics - I follow it to an unhealthly level. You're just not posting anything convincing.

 

[luckyshot]

Bernie's closing ads are damn good.

 

[b34stmode]

Yes I do. He is today's FDR and not least importantly he will restore honestly and integrity to the office of the presidency and probably wont even have to speak about doing that in order to do so.

I don't accept the framing of the rest of your post and am not going to entertain it.

You are wrong and he will struggle to get 40% of a general election vote. People are scared of his policies and the fact he would most likely not get anything done while destroying the economy.

 

[kpt018]

You are wrong and he will struggle to get 40% of a general election vote. People are scared of his policies and the fact he would most likely not get anything done while destroying the economy.

I don't mean to get in the middle here but if he's not getting anything done how would he destroy the economy? I have a feeling you're not thinking this through.

 

[franklinstower]

Bernie's closing ads are damn good.

I believe.

 

[b34stmode]

I don't mean to get in the middle here but if he's not getting anything done how would he destroy the economy? I have a feeling you're not thinking this through.

He won't get anything done regarding free education and the like. While simultaneously doing EO to add restrictions on companies or walk back what Trump has eased up on. He would need bi-partisan support to pass his bigger agenda while being able to hurt the economy with more restrictions.

 

[kpt018]

He won't get anything done regarding free education and the like. While simultaneously doing EO to add restrictions on companies or walk back what Trump has eased up on. He would need bi-partisan support to pass his bigger agenda while being able to hurt the economy with more restrictions.

But that means he's getting things done...

 

[luckyshot]

I feel it man. I believe in this.

Well, Bernie has that going for him. People believe in him. Love him or hate him, you know he is the real deal.

 

[PEB]

Emma was great when she said to Tom you're a billionaire and his reaction was gold.

 

[Sausage_Carius]

See, I think you're being purposefully vague and then insulting, which means you're probably posting in bad faith.

What is the disagreement between us? I think compared to typical primaries this has been very tame in terms of opponents attacking each other. If you disagree, what is an example of "knives out"? Personally, I think the candidates have been soft on Bernie.

As far as following politics - I follow it to an unhealthly level. You're just not posting anything convincing.

Opponents didn't have to go after Bernie when the media did it for them. Lone exception has been Warren. It really depends on how you look at it because every time Bernie or his people tried to speak up they were attacked across the board and Bernie either cut ties with them or quieted them down so you didn't really get crossfire the way say Clinton and Obama had. The media kind of let them at each other. They also took sides I'm not saying they didn't but it's not the same as what's happening now. Now it's all one way. Just a steady fuck you Bernie day every day.

If you think backstabbing Bernie by Warren or major newspapers posting obvious anti-semitic articles about Bernie repeatedly over the past year or planting lobbyists in town halls to ask gotcha questions one after the other isn't a big deal then your morality meter broke my friend.

EDIT: Also I'm being vague by giving specific examples? GTFO

 

[LuchaBear]

Caucuses are so weird lol.