Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[Anung Un Rama]

Damn. I get the feeling Warren's ploy backfired.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

SouthofAndes/SpiderManisGOAT/Caudillo. Octavian (great poster who rarely posts these days) was another.

@Octavian was here just the other day.

 

[IGIT]

hi AUR,

if this tactical decision came from Mrs. Warren, i'd agree i think it was a mistake.

i guess either way it was her mistake, but its worse if she was the one who floated the idea to hit Bernie on a gender issue.

then again, Mrs. Warren seems like a credible human being to me. maybe Bernie did say it, but he meant it in a tactical way against this particular POTUS? its not a big deal to me either way, really - but i'd be curious about the context.

*muses*

gender...the whole "breaking the glass ceiling" thing, doesn't seem to be an issue in this primary.

- IGIT

 

[Sketch]

She looks possessed.

 

[bobgeese]

hi bobbygeese,



i think its been born out that Mrs. Warren indeed did have some native american blood. from what i can gather about reading the topic, its something she used in her resume and her applications earlier in her academic career - and it may have, in a small way, helped her get a leg up on advancing her career.

*muses*

is that wrong? by that i mean, is that the sort of thing supposed to be the kiss of death or something?

if that's the case, it seems a little silly to me.

people cite their race, or religion, or military record, or "family ties" ie - heritage admissions, etc, etc, all the time, to get ahead in life.

*shrugs*

i don't see the big deal in any of it.



we can discuss any of her policies in the specific, from student loan forgiveness to free state college, to her healthcare reform. Mrs. Warren has cited how she'll generate the revenue (or just lard it into the national debt - which she does in some cases) for her programs.

it would be nice for a change to just talk policy.

- IGIT

Let’s start here,

Do you believe her lies about Bernie? I certainly don’t.


Do you believe she’ll provide student debt relief on day 1?



Do you believe she can actually pay for all her giveaways? If yes, why are other democrats saying she can’t, and her only response is “stop using republican talking points?

 

[ultramanhyata]

She looks possessed.

Spirit possession is nothing a couple hours in the sweat lodge can't cure.

 

[Officer Rick]

Could be worse I could be living in a refugee wasteland run by a cuck named Trudeau.

 

[IGIT]

hi bob,

Let’s start here,

Do you believe her lies about Bernie? I certainly don’t.

i believe that Mr. Sanders probably said something that Mrs. Warren interpreted as, "a woman can't beat Trump". that's what i believe, but i also don't care much one way or another.

Do you believe she’ll provide student debt relief on day 1?

if she does it via executive order, yeah, i believe her. that's what an EO is, it bypasses congress. if wiping student debt is something achievable via executive order, then yes, she can do it.

there's no "ands, ifs or buts" about it.

Do you believe she can actually pay for all her giveaways? If yes, why are other democrats saying she can’t, and her only response is “stop using republican talking points?

again, i am more than happy to talk about policy. could you be a bit more specific? what programs would you like to discuss?

- IGIT

 

[Anung Un Rama]

hi AUR,

if this tactical decision came from Mrs. Warren, i'd agree i think it was a mistake.

i guess either way it was her mistake, but its worse if she was the one who floated the idea to hit Bernie on a gender issue.

then again, Mrs. Warren seems like a credible human being to me. maybe Bernie did say it, but he meant it in a tactical way against this particular POTUS? its not a big deal to me either way, really - but i'd be curious about the context.

*muses*

gender...the whole "breaking the glass ceiling" thing, doesn't seem to be an issue in this primary.

- IGIT

Hi IGIT,

I don’t believe it was her idea, but like you said it was her mistake either way.
And it does go toward her character, not making a political mistake (she’s made several this campaign, that happens), but this particular one; going after Sanders, a supposed friend, with an obvious lie. It was both a character flaw and a political blunder. Note, she had nothing to gain from this. Sanders supporters weren’t going to leave him for this charade. Her targets should be Pete and Biden. That being said, she’s still my #2 based on policy, but I’m incredibly disappointed in her.

Edit: And its a lie. Either Sanders voiced concern that in this climate against this potus the misogyny might make it difficult for a woman to win, or he didn’t say anything about it at all. If the former then its a non-story, and one that Warren shouldn’t have weaponized — dishonestly at that. If the latter, then again she lied.

Best,
AUR

 

[AlexDB9]

Alright so I just heard the “leaked” audio from cnn...and cmon now even the ol bern fake communists here have to see how much of a doormat this guy is right? How can he lead a country when he can’t even take on lieawatha?

 

[ultramanhyata]

I don't think it's remotely comparable to either of those things. Seems pretty clear that they're just remembering the same thing a little differently, which happens. The outrage over it by the WR nutter crowd is wildly disproportionate.

Shocked that you would try to downplay and rationalize a demonstrably false and vicious character attack on Bernie Sanders.

 

[IGIT]

And its a lie. Either Sanders voiced concern that in this climate against this potus the misogyny might make it difficult for a woman to win, or he didn’t say anything about it at all.

hello Anung Un Rama,

i don't think either of them is lying, lol.

i think Mr. Sanders probably said something to the effect of "Trump is going to give a woman a very hard time", and someone from the Warren campaign team interpreted that as, "Bernie doesn't think Elizabeth can take Trump".

its very small potatoes to me.

- IGIT

 

[ultramanhyata]

Hillary Clinton is the most hated politician on this forum. there was exactly 1 Clinton booster in 2016 in the War Room - and he was a troll (help me out here, Jack V Savage. what was his name?

Is this a joke??

 

[bobgeese]

Could be worse I could be living in a refugee wasteland run by a cuck named Trudeau.

 

[IGIT]

Is this a joke??

hi ultra,

i can't think of a politician who has enjoyed more bi-partisan hatred on this forum, no - its no joke.

- IGIT

 

[bobgeese]

hi bob,



i believe that Mr. Sanders probably said something that Mrs. Warren interpreted as, "a woman can't beat Trump". that's what i believe, but i also don't care much one way or another.



if she does it via executive order, yeah, i believe her. that's what an EO is, it bypasses congress. if wiping student debt is something achievable via executive order, then yes, she can do it.

there's no "ands, ifs or buts" about it.



again, i am more than happy to talk about policy. could you be a bit more specific? what programs would you like to discuss?

- IGIT

A) please explain how she will provide “student loan relief on day 1”. If you can’t, or her answer is dubious at best and will get thrown out by the courts. She is lying.

B) in the debates, fellow democrats said her plans were unable to be paid for. Her onLy defense was “stop using republican talking points”

Who is lying,

Warren or the multiple democrats telling you she’s a liar?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

hello Anung Un Rama,

i don't think either of them is lying, lol.

i think Mr. Sanders probably said something to the effect of "Trump is going to give a woman a very hard time", and someone from the Warren campaign team interpreted that as, "Bernie doesn't think Elizabeth can take Trump".

its very small potatoes to me.

- IGIT

Hola IGIT,

I agree its possible Sanders said something in that area, which is not what Warren’s surrogate or Warren herself described as happening, so she lied. And while I don’t think it was Warren’s idea, I don’t think her staffer went rogue, she agreed to the attack. Otherwise she should have shot it down immediately or added the appropriate context. And its too late to do that now. Agreeing to context at this point would make Sanders look like the snake. Small potato’s to us, but the media and Sanders’ opposition have been running out of ideas so giving new legs to old bullshit is welcome tabloid fodder for the next 4 weeks, so its not small potatoes in that sense.

 

[ultramanhyata]

hello Anung Un Rama,

i don't think either of them is lying, lol.

i think Mr. Sanders probably said something to the effect of "Trump is going to give a woman a very hard time", and someone from the Warren campaign team interpreted that as, "Bernie doesn't think Elizabeth can take Trump".
- IGIT

Except Warren herself said, "I told Bernie I thought a woman could be president. And he disagreed."

 

[Anung Un Rama]

hi ultra,

i can't think of a politician who has enjoyed more bi-partisan hatred on this forum, no - its no joke.

- IGIT

No, but the idea of you enlisting the help of Jack to out the Clinton troll was a brilliant troll job in its own right, though. Well played.

 

[ultramanhyata]

hi ultra,

i can't think of a politician who has enjoyed more bi-partisan hatred on this forum, no - its no joke.

- IGIT

No. I meant your claim that there was only one strong Hillary backer in the WR in 2016... And then asking JVS to help you remember his name.