Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[PEB]

 

[no fat chicks]

Well Trump has proven himself unhinged and reckless with environmental policy and Bernie is knocking on death's door so sure he's got my vote.

 

[xcvbn]

Stop lyin, Joe

 

[PEB]

 

[AndroidRage]

Not really #checkyourmath

 

[Possum Jenkins]

The "MSM is out to get Bernie" stuff is just as crazy as the "MSM is out to get Trump" stuff.

They're not out to get him but it's quite rational to think he's not a favorite.

And obviously the MSM is made up of tons of companies so it can't be 100% uniform, but the trends are there. The most progressive candidate in the past 100+ years isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea.

 

[Fedorable]

just polled my dog. He loves all of them.

 

[Aldo4Ever]

'New Iowa poll with Sanders leading questioned by politics expert'





Politics 'Expert' Jimmy Williams: I am perplexed by this poll for two reasons. First, either the people of Iowa are schizophrenic or they just aren't convinced---they remain skeptical. And I don't think the people of Iowa are schizophrenic, although they do have two horrifying GOP senators as their senators, but that's another conversation for a different day. This poll...is not an outlier. This is in fact the gold standard. This is it. When it came out last night at 7 o'clock I looked at it and I went.........no way in hell is this right. But it has to be right because it's Des Moines, right? It's the Des Moines Register and CNN. So...............I just don't see this.....................I think a lot can change between now and the day of those caucuses. And I don't......these numbers, they tell me something at 30,000 feet. They tell me nothing on the ground in Des Moines or Dubuque or anywhere else.

 

[xcvbn]

 

[Happy Man]

If America is being slowly destroyed on purpose regardless, it’s easier to ride our the destruction with An extra grand in your pocket each month

 

[nostradumbass]

4% of half the voters agree with you.

He actually is the most likeable of the primary candidates, but he doesn't have any chance of winning the nomination.

 

[Fawlty]

Good point, but, as I see it, there are two paths to victory:

1) convince some fence riders to vote for your guy or gal
2) motivate less likely voters to show up and vote

Biden is clearly the best guy for the first strategy, Bernie or Pete for the second. I think the first strategy is harder to pull off, My reasoning is that anyone who’s undecided on Trump is horrendously uninformed or irretrievably stupid.

I don't think you can craft a strategy to increase voter turnout very much. That's a much larger function than any campaign or even party committee can perform. That has more to do with politics as a whole and what's happening in the country, and it's hard to even analyze. Obama was a perfect turnout candidate, coming on the heels of an unpopular Republican and brought tons of disenfranchised black votes to the table. But even that was probably just a novelty, as turnout dipped again in 2012.

How do you get voters to turn out and support your candidate? Even 2016 didn't have high turnout, and that was circus level stuff.

On the other hand, 30% of the country are "Independents" and a lot of them live in swing states, and we know what their concerns are. Sanders brings some enthusiasm from the non-voting youth, which is good, but he also walks a tightrope in the states that decide the election, between capitalism and socialism. And his opening-the-factories rhetoric there has always seemed unrealistic, in addition to the single-payer talk, which isn't actually as popular as some people think (strongest support is for the option), and how the question is answered in surveys depends a lot on the framing of the question. Needless to say, the people we have to appeal to in order to win are not fans of being kicked off their insurance - one of the last remaining solid benefits out there - against their wishes.


btw props for using "irretrievably stupid" lol

 

[AlexDB9]

I think I might know why some goofs will vote for this guy.....

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

I still like Yang but his back peddle on Medicare for all was pretty shameful. He's been solid up until that point.

 

[whaleshark]

#WangsOutFor2020

 

[Happy Man]

They're not out to get him but it's quite rational to think he's not a favorite.

And obviously the MSM is made up of tons of companies so it can't be 100% uniform, but the trends are there. The most progressive candidate in the past 100+ years isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea.

6. The MSM is made up of six companies.

https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/democracyondeadline/mediaownership.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

The owners all meet each other and collude. Make no mistake

 

[ultramanhyata]

I still like Yang but his back peddle on Medicare for all was pretty shameful. He's been solid up until that point.

What makes his anti-single payer position even worse is that he insists on continuing to call his plan "Medicare For All" and defends the misleading branding based on some loopy argument about how one defines "Medicare" and "for all".

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

If Sander's does somehow get the nomination and not get screwed, he can win over independents, blue collar workers and the rust belt with one simple strategy - talking about his proposed outsourcing bill.

It's always floored me how the poorest people always seem to vote Republican and root for capitalism when those officials and that system is what has decimated their jobs and lives. All I can think of is they think if they work hard enough, they'll somehow be wealthy one day and without Capitalism, they'd be even more poor.

Bernie's outsourcing proposal states that if you outsource a job from America, the company loses ALL tax breaks and grants and most importantly, they get fined every dollar they would have saved by hiring locally. Bernie knows that outsourcing is a loophole and a way to get around paying fair wages and that would essentially make it a wash. There are still provisions to allow you to hire outside works IF you can't find the right people locally AND you pay them the same wages.

I don't know how anyone that is poor or even the working class would disagree with that proposal. I've always thought outsourcing should be heavily punished or even illegal. You put that against Trump's policy of letting companies do whatever they want and ship jobs overseas or down to Mexico and you've got a fight.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

What makes his anti-single payer position even worse is that he insists on continuing to call his plan "Medicare For All" and defends the misleading branding based on some loopy argument about how one defines "Medicare" and "for all".

It's not Medicare for all unless everyone is covered and everyone is chipping in. Only Bernie, Tulsi and Warren have M4A plans but all 3 have different ideas on how to get there. I still think Tulsi's is the most realistic where you enroll everyone but you don't ban private insurance. It then becomes like public school where everyone is chipping in with their tax dollars but if you choose to send your kids to private school, that's on you. You are still paying for the public version. That way, people can get comfortable with having public health care and private insurance is just naturally phased out or shifted into supplemental care. Taxes would go up on everyone but it would be far less than what people are paying now and everyone would then be covered.

Bernie's is more of a ban on private insurance but will take several years and Warren's is a convoluted mess that would take 5-6 years and done through different forms of taxes on the rich.

 

[Holic]

Well Trump has proven himself unhinged and reckless with environmental policy and Bernie is knocking on death's door so sure he's got my vote.

You vote for Biden like your parents you little pissant, I got money on this.