Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread v4

[Jack V Savage]

I think her impeachment vote was more significant in the collapse of her approval.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Tulsi or Bernie. Otherwise I’m most likely voting Trump.

So the line of thinking on this is: you're hungry, you want lunch. You're craving poi (Tulsi) or Gruel (Sanders) but if those options aren't available, you'll just go with arsenic (trump)

 

[Trotsky]

Holy shit.

I don't think that's primarily due to Clinton, though. I think it's more due to Gabbard outing herself as an unprincipled, grandstanding boob in her impeachment vote.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Holy shit.

I don't think that's primarily due to Clinton, though. I think it's more due to Gabbard outing herself as an unprincipled, grandstanding boob in her impeachment vote.

I don't think it was insinuating that Clinton hurt Gabbard as much as debunking all the people that thought Clinton's comments would help Gabbard

 

[Trotsky]

I don't think it was insinuating that Clinton hurt Gabbard as much as debunking all the people that thought Clinton's comments would help Gabbard

All other things equal, I think it would have purely in terms of polling numbers, not favorables. Just because Gabbard had/has little name recognition, was polling at 2%, and there is a segment of casual voters who hate Clinton. Like the disaffected Republicans that went for Sanders in 2016.

 

[RemyR]

So the line of thinking on this is: you're hungry, you want lunch. You're craving poi (Tulsi) or Gruel (Sanders) but if those options aren't available, you'll just go with arsenic (trump)

If you think that “Orange Man Bad” then sure. I think he’s a bully and clown but done decent enough as president for me to vote for him above someone I have reservations about. I’m an American voter, not a democrat or republican voter. Fuck partisanship. Biggest problem this country is facing if you ask me.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

If you think that “Orange Man Bad” then sure. I think he’s a bully and clown but done decent enough as president for me to vote for him above someone I have reservations about. I’m an American voter, not a democrat or republican voter. Fuck partisanship. Biggest problem this country is facing if you ask me.

No, trump is the antithesis of Sanders and tulsi who share next to no policy views. They are as far away from each other as you can get from viable contenders for the oval office.

So you can't be basing that decision on anything policy related

 

[Possum Jenkins]

in Manufacturing Consent, Chomsky described the phenomena as not deliberately lying, or asking people to lie, but that the kind of people hired for these jobs were the kind of people who would push the desired narrative on their own, apparently completely ignorant of the bias and dishonestly. That may have been true at some point, but there is no way that the MSM isn’t doing this deliberately today. Even a week or 2 back they ALL had the same positive coverage of Sanders out of nowhere. It was a deliberate, and seemingly orchestrated attempt to show that they weren’t biased against Sanders. But now we’re back to our regularly scheduled propaganda.

They're seeing him more as a legitimate threat now. Similar to how Trump himself was mostly ignoring Bernie until the last week or so when he's started to attack him.

 

[Fawlty]

If you think that “Orange Man Bad” then sure. I think he’s a bully and clown but done decent enough as president for me to vote for him above someone I have reservations about. I’m an American voter, not a democrat or republican voter. Fuck partisanship. Biggest problem this country is facing if you ask me.

@VivaRevolution this is the average American voter.

This is the guy who needs to be persuaded, and as you can see from his almost impossibly low-information, detached take on the election, winning his vote requires merely the right bagful of bullshit at the right time.

 

[VivaRevolution]

@VivaRevolution this is the average American voter.

This is the guy who needs to be persuaded, and as you can see from his almost impossibly low-information, detached take on the election, winning his vote requires merely the right bagful of bullshit at the right time.

2% of the vote man. 2%.

That is all it takes. You think this guy is voting for Biden? He has reservations about him too.

 

[Fawlty]

2% of the vote man. 2%.

That is all it takes. You think this guy is voting for Biden? He has reservations about him too.

"Independent" people from that POV probably lean right and have serious reservations about voting for anybody on the left for any reason, and do not apply nearly as high standards to candidates on the right. That's the stereotypical swing state persuadable.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Like most "Independent" people from that POV probably lean right and have serious reservations about voting for anybody on the left for any reason, and do not apply nearly as high standards to candidates on the right. That's the stereotypical swing state persuadable.

Fine, let's stop chasing them then, and start chasing some of the 50% of potential voters who are disillusioned.

 

[Fawlty]

Fine, let's stop chasing them then, and start chasing some of the 50% of potential voters who are disillusioned.

Not sure what you're talking about here. The disillusioned middle is pretty big, but it's not 2% and it's not 50%. Turnout is a different argument, but also important.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Not sure what you're talking about here. The disillusioned middle is pretty big, but it's not 2% and it's not 50%. Turnout is a different argument, but also important.

Only 50% of the qualified public votes.

I mean you only have to swing things by 2% and you win in a landslide.

So if the so called middle is closeted Republicans, then let's chase just 4% of that 50%, and find the 2% swing that way.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Laugh out loud. Pretty hilarious article in which Warren is claiming Sanders is trashing her with script calls saying she is going after educated voters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/12/us/politics/warren-sanders.html

Wonder how that call goes:

"You know Liz is targetting people with them fancy degrees, but old Bernie wants you to know he's all about the drop outs and dumb dumbs"

 

[Jack V Savage]

They're seeing him more as a legitimate threat now. Similar to how Trump himself was mostly ignoring Bernie until the last week or so when he's started to attack him.

The "MSM is out to get Bernie" stuff is just as crazy as the "MSM is out to get Trump" stuff.

 

[sickc0d3r]

@VivaRevolution this is the average American voter.

This is the guy who needs to be persuaded, and as you can see from his almost impossibly low-information, detached take on the election, winning his vote requires merely the right bagful of bullshit at the right time.

Good point, but, as I see it, there are two paths to victory:

1) convince some fence riders to vote for your guy or gal
2) motivate less likely voters to show up and vote

Biden is clearly the best guy for the first strategy, Bernie or Pete for the second. I think the first strategy is harder to pull off, My reasoning is that anyone who’s undecided on Trump is horrendously uninformed or irretrievably stupid.

 

[Regal Boy]

A thousand dollars a month in freedom dividends. Universal health care. Closed borders. Unionize the UFC And MMA.

It's over, Dana...

 

[Curmudgeon]

Oh, okay.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

America isn't ready for an asian president.