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Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The Announcements

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If you are talking about voter fraud please present anything even credible evidence of how the Democrats "found" the votes they needed after the election was over?

When they stop blocking the investigations into voter fraud.
 
She would be a nightmare style match up for Trump in the general election, he wouldn't know what to do with her, as his brash style and personal attacks would make him look like a massive dick bully against her. He would have to run on the issues and on his record, and keeping the focus on Trump as president is the way to bleed conservative and independent voters. I think she would smoke Trump in the three Midwestern states that decided the election for Trump (by a total of just 78,000 votes combined). With everywhere else constant from 2016 (though I expect that she could win Iowa pretty handily) she would beat Trump going away.

She was a prosecutor, so that is something that she can highlight in terms of toughness, and she can hold her own with her intelligence and disarming sense of humor too (listen to her on the Skullduggery podcast from a few weeks ago), and her ability to keep her cool when Kavanaugh was fucking with her was impressive, he even subsequently apologized to her (that interaction helps with conservative "Kavanaugh didn't do nothin" voters).

Don't know if she is liberal enough to get through the primaries though, her being a woman helps her overcome her more moderate history (that will be more appealing in the general election), but she doesn't have the rah rah ability of Harris, or Harris' ability to galvanize minority voters. She doesn't come out of the blocks like Harris or Warren, she isn't an attention grabber like them, she will need to get out there and let people get to know her, but I think she can build up support over time. Given that the dems won on healthcare last year, and from an upswing in female candidates and voters, her origin story for her political career of advocating for a bill that would guarantee new mothers a 48-hour hospital stay, and that it came from her personal experiences giving birth to a daughter with a medical issue, that is political gold in 2020!

I couldn't agree more

Klobuchar can relate to people in the Midwest
making her the biggest threat of them all
 
Agreed, but I think Biden probably has it locked down. At that point, I don't know what's worse between him and Trump. I think Biden can be a competent president for four years, but he'll just keep up with the same neoliberal fuckery we're used to and then get knocked off by Trump 2.0 in 2024.

There's no escape from this utter hellscape I'm afraid.
Oh Biden and the ilk do scare me. Coups coups coups and endless wars. Obama had an awful foreign relations . Libya, Syria, coup in central America. He Def was a neo con when it came to foreign relations.
 
When they stop blocking the investigations into voter fraud.
There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, Bush couldn't find it in 2004, Trump couldn't find it in 2016, Texas, Florida, North Carolina couldn't find it and neither could Kansas. The batsh*t crazy attempts to find it in Kansas is a major reason Kris Kobach didn't get elected governor of Kansas.
 
When they stop blocking the investigations into voter fraud.
Did they block Bush's investigation in 2004, Kansas's investigation, Texas's investigation, North Carolina's investigation because they all investigated and found jack sh*t.
 
There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, Bush couldn't find it in 2004, Trump couldn't find it in 2016, Texas, Florida, North Carolina couldn't find it and neither could Kansas. The batsh*t crazy attempts to find it in Kansas is a major reason Kris Kobach didn't get elected governor of Kansas.

I've wholly given up on this topic. It's pretty obvious that they know that every attempt to uncover this supposed phenomenon has come up empty and that the only rational explanation is that it's not there to be found, but they'll nevertheless support disenfranchising voters and depriving people of constitutional rights because it helps their side.

Similarly , I find that anything @58thpercentile denies to be a reality as well.

Eh, not a good nickname, man. That would mean that he's above average (in re intelligence, I guess?), which is much more than can be said of most right-wingers here. In fact, there are only a select few (Heretic, Devout Pess, Madmick) that are definitively above that threshold.
 
I've wholly given up on this topic. It's pretty obvious that they know that every attempt to uncover this supposed phenomenon has come up empty and that the only rational explanation is that it's not there to be found, but they'll nevertheless support disenfranchising voters and depriving people of constitutional rights because it helps their side.



Eh, not a good nickname, man. That would mean that he's above average (in re intelligence, I guess?), which is much more than can be said of most right-wingers here. In fact, there are only a select few (Heretic, Devout Pess, Madmick) that are definitively above that threshold.
Can you elaborate, please?
 
What levels of cognitive dissonance does it take for voters on the left to call out Harris for having a white husband??

Check out twitter trends on the subject.
 
What levels of cognitive dissonance does it take for voters on the left to call out Harris for having a white husband??

Check out twitter trends on the subject.

the pendulum has swung all the way across it seems

we didn't eliminate racism, we just turned it on its head
 
Not seeing any live streams for the Klobuchar announcement yet. Still articles saying it should be today.
 
Tracking Congress In The Age Of Trump
An updating tally of how often every member of the House and the Senate votes with or against the president.

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Among the Senators/House Reps that look to be running/already announced:

Senate
Klobuchar 31.5% (34th)
Brown 29.5% (30th)
Harris 18% (7th)
Booker 15.7% (5th)
Sanders 14.8% (4th)
Warren 13.5% (3rd)
Gillibrand 12.4% (1st)

House
Delaney 34.4%
O'Roukre 30.1%
Gabbard 22.8%
 
I do see it primarily as a three-person race between Biden, Harris, and Sanders, with the likelihood of winning being in that order.

I was bullish on Sanders at the start, but I don't see it at this point. My thinking was that he could be the kind of Palmeiro/Trump candidate--in a big field, anyone with a decent bloc of support can win. But given that high recognition, the fact that he hasn't jumped out to an early lead in polling now looks like it's just that voters don't want him. I think I overstated his base, in part because of the media narrative of the race (which, note, he lost by 12 points and much of his support was likely coming from anyone who wasn't happy with the nominee, regardless of how much they supported him as an individual). Early polling is looking really good for Biden, but I suspect that will go way down if he actually starts campaigning (he's run before and never done too well, and I could be biased here because I'm not a fan, but I think exposure will be bad for him).

Harris is looking like she has a shot, but there are also some subsets that are strongly opposed to her. I think she'll do increasingly worse as the field thins. I think O'Rourke and Klobuchar have shots. Beto really inspired the base nationally and did exceptionally well relative to his electorate lean. Klobuchar has consistently done well by that measure. I also think it would be underestimating the field to say that only six people (I see Brown and Warren being strong, too) have a chance. Good chance that someone unexpected slips in there.

Generally, I think it's inherently unpredictable because unforeseeable future events will have a large impact on the shape of the race. And aside from it being difficult for a serious, informed, intelligent analyst to predict, most people just spout off ignorantly and let their own bias guide their "analysis" ("candidate I dislike will surely lose unless the media is biased," "candidate I like will win unless he gets screwed," or some shit).
 
Weird. It's almost like their list has people(Oprah, Abrams) with little to no speculation to run but fails to have one of the few already confirmed(Tulsi).

More 2016 media blackouts means Trump wins again.

Also noticing a media blackout on Vermin Supreme. If the MSM doesn't cover his campaign wall to wall, Trump will win.
 
5 anti-poverty plans from 2020 Democratic presidential contenders, explained
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I think this is great news and points to the democrats moving in the right direction (presuming they will actually enact legislation and not just make promises.)

The article pointed to my main concern with the rent subsidy proposals. I see them as being wide open to being gamed. What's to stop me from moving into a place that's 50% more expensive than what I need or can afford if it's going to be paid for? Then I can wait for rents to go up all around and move into some place even more expensive.

I think the proposal by Warren it mentioned (but not analyzed) to build more housing would be better or at least should go hand in hand with any of these proposals and tight regulations on what local renters would be permitted to do in terms of rent increases and so on would be required to keep it from being just a big scam.
 
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