Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The Announcements

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Jack V Savage said:
If you want to discuss the issues like a man, I'm willing. Respond to my points with something other than childish personal attacks, and I'll respond to yours.
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I posted that video over 2 hours ago; now your dodging it based on "personal attacks" that occurred 5 minutes ago.
What is your take on the video?
 
Anung Un Rama said:
I posted that video over 2 hours ago; now your dodging it based on "personal attacks" that occurred 5 minutes ago.
What is your take on the video?
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What's your take on what I said?:

"In both cases, the whole game wouldn't work if everyone were seeing through it as you guys claim to be able to. I don't think you're appreciating how much your own views contradict themselves. People lament the influence of Fox, for example, because they believe that most Fox News viewers really believe that they're seeing real news--that is, that it's not so obvious to them. If people who watch Fox know that they're watching dishonest distortions of the news, it loses its impact, and it's nothing for anyone to worry about. And I think at most times, that's your take on the real media. It's biased against you, and it's bad because people who watch or read it don't know that. But when it comes time to defend your nutty positions, you have to revert to insisting that it's actually obvious to anyone who isn't a shill or whatever because you can't actually provide any *reason* for believing that what you're saying is true. Your only option is to try to exert social pressure (smear people who are thinking for themselves)."
 
Jack V Savage said:
What's your take on what I said?:

"In both cases, the whole game wouldn't work if everyone were seeing through it as you guys claim to be able to. I don't think you're appreciating how much your own views contradict themselves. People lament the influence of Fox, for example, because they believe that most Fox News viewers really believe that they're seeing real news--that is, that it's not so obvious to them. If people who watch Fox know that they're watching dishonest distortions of the news, it loses its impact, and it's nothing for anyone to worry about. And I think at most times, that's your take on the real media. It's biased against you, and it's bad because people who watch or read it don't know that. But when it comes time to defend your nutty positions, you have to revert to insisting that it's actually obvious to anyone who isn't a shill or whatever because you can't actually provide any *reason* for believing that what you're saying is true. Your only option is to try to exert social pressure (smear people who are thinking for themselves)."
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1. In this post you only confirm your own bias while trying to accuse me of having one.
2. You call my positions nutty, and then act indignant when I respond to it with a "personal attack"
3. You are using this recent "personal attack" as your excuse to not respond to a post I made 2 hours ago in response to your previous personal attack.

What was your opinion on that CNN video I posted?
When you have done that I will beat your post up, I promise.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
1. In this post you only confirm your own bias while trying to accuse me of having one.
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No, I don't have a bias here. What I'm saying is that there is a huge contradiction at the heart of your angle. On the one hand, most viewers of the news can't see the liberal bias you insist exists in the MSM, but on the other hand, you can only defend your claim that it exists by appealing to its obviousness. You see? Doesn't work. And that contradiction doesn't go away if I'm a poopyhead or shill or whatever insult you want to throw my way.
 
Jack V Savage said:
No, I don't have a bias here. What I'm saying is that there is a huge contradiction at the heart of your angle. On the one hand, most viewers of the news can't see the liberal bias you insist exists in the MSM, but on the other hand, you can only defend your claim that it exists by appealing to its obviousness. You see? Doesn't work. And that contradiction doesn't go away if I'm a poopyhead or shill or whatever insult you want to throw my way.
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What is your opinion on the video I posted? Your shameless deflecting isn't doing you any favors.
 
just in case he couldn't find it on page 58 (2 pages back):

This is in response to the claim that media bias is a CT:
 
Anung Un Rama said:
I posted my video first? How am I ducking.
What is your opinion on the video? then we can move forward.
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You're ducking because I made a point (illustrating a fatal flaw at the heart of your thinking), and you responded with nothing but personal attacks and demands that I comment on a stupid video.
 
Jack V Savage said:
What I want to know is how believers in the liberal media CT think that *helps* their case. WTF? Seems like a massive self-own.
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I dont even see it as a "gotcha" question -- its a question a lot of people in the top 10% would ask.
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
How is that a CT video? Its a legitimate analysis. Bernie did not give a good answer.
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You think that segment was fair to Sanders? Comparing him to Trump for writing a book and paying the taxes he was supposed to?
Saying he is a hypocrite for not donating money to the IRS? For benefiting from a tax policy he voted against?
You think mocking his haircut is good journalism? You don't think this piece is is intellectually dishonest, or deliberately misinterpreting his position?
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
How is that a CT video? Its a legitimate analysis. Bernie did not give a good answer.
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I don't think the answer was good either but I also don't think he did anything wrong. Why would anyone willingly give more of their money to the government? It's stupid.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
You think that segment was fair to Sanders? Comparing him to Trump for writing a book and paying the taxes he was supposed to?
Saying he is a hypocrite for not donating money to the IRS? For benefiting from a tax policy he voted against?
You think mocking his haircut is good journalism? You don't think this piece is is intellectually dishonest, or deliberately misinterpreting his position?
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To be fair the host did say something when they mocked his hair. They weren't ok with the comment and made it known. These are real people on TV they aren't robots they can't control every word that comes out of their guest mouth.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
You think that segment was fair to Sanders? Comparing him to Trump for writing a book and paying the taxes he was supposed to?
Saying he is a hypocrite for not donating money to the IRS? For benefiting from a tax policy he voted against?
You think mocking his haircut is good journalism? You don't think this piece is is intellectually dishonest, or deliberately misinterpreting his position?
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I am definitely in the percentage of people who make enough money to ask Sanders how he can continuously use the system to lower his rate while appealing that should not happen.
 
method115 said:
I don't think the answer was good either but I also don't think he did anything wrong. Why would anyone willingly give more of their money to the government? It's stupid.
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I agree, hence why id never vote for him or the left (unless it was a moderate over trump).

But the question was why would he use the system to lower his taxes. Not so much why wouldnt he donate it.
 
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