Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: The Announcements

[luckyshot]

Great post (I especially like the distinction you made in #1). I'd like to add to #2 and state that not only are experts right more often than laymen in many fields they simply have knowledge and expertise that is only acquired through the process of becoming an expert. A random off the street has zero percent odds of completing a successful heart transplant, splitting the atom, etc.. With regards to the media - we have a real life experiment to illustrate the differences between quality journalism performed by professionals and professional media outlets and assholes with social media accounts. The media is far from perfect but they are so much better than the fake laymen journalists/pundits.

I agree for the most part, especially with your point about the absolute gap bewteen the expert and the layperson in many fields.

I also think that heritage media sources are-- for the most part-- still better than "new media;" however, the 24 hour news cycle and market pressures have, unfortunately, eroded this to some extent.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Famous people campaigning isn't what we're talking about (the MSM is). Your claim about CNN is ridiculous, of course.



About two-thirds of the public thinks that the MSM is biased, and there's probably a pretty even split among those on which way it's biased. The fact that you perceive 80% of America to be strongly accepting of your position here suggests to me that you're getting a very skewed picture of reality from whatever your sources of information are.

It's also apparent from reading what people who believe media CTs think in detail that a lot of them have trouble distinguishing opinion content from reporting.

I'd also ask you what percentage of the population you think would perceive media bias if none existed. Just hypothetically, say there's no bias, how many people would think there is? I'd guess about the same percentage as believe it in the real world.

It's an educated guess that at least 80% of the self aware population realized CNN was desperate fpr Hillary to win, acted like their jobs depended on it, and were im a state of shock when she didn't. I honestly can't believe you're serious.

 

[waiguoren]

A random off the street has zero percent odds of completing a successful heart transplant, splitting the atom, etc.. With regards to the media - we have a real life experiment to illustrate the differences between quality journalism performed by professionals and professional media outlets and assholes with social media accounts. The media is far from perfect but they are so much better than the fake laymen journalists/pundits.

I think this juxtaposition is misleading for two reasons.

1) Some things are more difficult than others. Writing a decent news article is vastly easier than performing a successful heart transplant. A "random off the street" has a decent chance of writing a quality news article.

2) For-profit corporations employ most of the "journalists" you write of, and their margins benefit greatly from quantity over quality and sensationalism/exaggeration. That is, there is a strong built-in incentive for MSM to do a bad job.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

A great irony of the 2020 election— if Biden wins the Dem primary— the GOP is going to be the party spamming “Me toooo!!!!”

Of course, their base, much of which was against the Me Too movement, will suddenly think it’s the most important thing in the world.

You're not considering the hypocrisy of Democrats if Joe makes it to the general; at that point it will be a wash, no?
They'll focus on the kid touching, though.

 

[Jack V Savage]

It's an educated guess that at least 80% of the self aware population realized CNN was desperate fpr Hillary to win, acted like their jobs depended on it, and were im a state of shock when she didn't. I honestly can't believe you're serious.

I'm aware that you live in a bubble and have ridiculous beliefs about CNN. I already said that.

I think this juxtaposition is misleading for two reasons.

1) Some things are more difficult than others. Writing a decent news article is vastly easier than performing a successful heart transplant. A "random off the street" has a decent chance of writing a quality news article.

Hmm. I'm pretty sure that's not true. I think anyone with the right training could perform a successful heart transplant, but writing an elite-media caliber story is a much rarer skill.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I will go Joe v the field if you want but for odds. Meaning if I win I get your av and SIG for 6 months vs my SIG for 3.

Otherwise Bernard v Joseph straight up for SIG rights of 3 months? You seem steadfast that Bernie will take it so that maybe more interesting

You doubled down on your claim that Uncle Joe would be our next POTUS against the field.
I offered you a sig bet AND I gave you better odds by making it Joe vs. Bernie to get to the general.... and now you want to put my AV (top 10 AV on the entire site (GSPOAB-bless)? pfffft.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You doubled down on your claim that Uncle Joe would be our next POTUS against the field.
I offered you a sig bet AND I gave you better odds by making it Joe vs. Bernie to get to the general.... and now you want to put my AV (top 10 AV on the entire site (GSPOAB-bless)? pfffft.

Anyone betting on anyone against the field at this point (at even odds) is a fool, IMO.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

You doubled down on your claim that Uncle Joe would be our next POTUS against the field.
I offered you a sig bet AND I gave you better odds by making it Joe vs. Bernie to get to the general.... and now you want to put my AV (top 10 AV on the entire site (GSPOAB-bless)? pfffft.

Im negotiating a better price for the odds. We can do Bernie vs Joe straight up....but i want your AV. I know the pain it will cause you :sniper:

 

[Anung Un Rama]

The proliferation of stupid CTs about the media is one of the worst developments over the past few years.

Your trolling on this issue has grown tiresome and you've ramped it up the last few days on Mayor Pete, if you can't see the bias for Pete and against Sanders then you're either intellectually blind or stupid.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Anyone betting on anyone against the field at this point (at even odds) is a fool, IMO.

Friendly bets on sherdog -- take the starch out of your collar

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Im negotiating a better price for the odds. We can do Bernie vs Joe straight up....but i want your AV. I know the pain it will cause you :sniper:

like I said you your original prediction that Joe will be our next potus; "lol, no".

 

[waiguoren]

I'm aware that you live in a bubble and have ridiculous beliefs about CNN. I already said that.



Hmm. I'm pretty sure that's not true. I think anyone with the right training could perform a successful heart transplant, but writing an elite-media caliber story is a much rarer skill.

It's hard to know what you mean unless you define "elite media".

 

[waiguoren]

You doubled down on your claim that Uncle Joe would be our next POTUS against the field.
I offered you a sig bet AND I gave you better odds by making it Joe vs. Bernie to get to the general.... and now you want to put my AV (top 10 AV on the entire site (GSPOAB-bless)? pfffft.

Oof.

 

[waiguoren]

Your trolling on this issue has grown tiresome and you've ramped it up the last few days on Mayor Pete, if you can't see the bias for Pete and against Sanders then you're either intellectually blind or stupid.

I watched that segment minutes after it aired. It's probably the most biased "news" segment I've ever witnessed. I'm anti-Sanders but I know bias when I see it.

@Jack V Savage, do you think that segment was fair to Sanders?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Your trolling on this issue has grown tiresome and you've ramped it up the last few days on Mayor Pete, if you can't see the bias for Pete and against Sanders then you're either intellectually blind or stupid.

Yeah, this is typical of the strength of the argument of media CTers.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I'm aware that you live in a bubble and have ridiculous beliefs about CNN. I already said that.



Hmm. I'm pretty sure that's not true. I think anyone with the right training could perform a successful heart transplant, but writing an elite-media caliber story is a much rarer skill.

I think you might work for CNN. Only explanation. Have a great day.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Out of curiosity, what about Mayor Pete's lack of experience? I know that is typically a big sticking point for you, and it is a red flag for me.

Its hysterical that nobody cares that this guy has no experience and no platform but he's a top 1, 2, or 3 candidate for POTUS.
I guess speaking Finnish puts him over the top.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Remember that Schultz is out there, promising a 3rd party spoiler run if he candidate is too far left.

I doubt Schutz gets on all 50 ballots and even if he does he won't get enough votes to be considered a spoiler.
Have you seen this guy talk? He's the biggest joke I've ever seen run for POTUS (and I'm including the Libertarians who wear costumes to debates).

 

[Trotsky]

Your trolling on this issue has grown tiresome and you've ramped it up the last few days on Mayor Pete, if you can't see the bias for Pete and against Sanders then you're either intellectually blind or stupid.

Holy shit. Four years later and we're still rehashing the "he doesn't want to abolish capitalism and confiscate everyone's private and personal property" explanation. Like....the "he's so lucky to live in the capitalist system he says he wants to overthrow" is so incredibly idiotic that either it's purposeful or they are hiring incompetents. And the Clinton surrogates suggestion that he should have said, "seeeeee, this is the privilege I'm talking about!" is likewise idiotic.

That people seriously call CNN left-wing when it engages in this redbaiting propaganda (I won't even call it pro-capitalist or anti-socialist since it's really not either) is just something to remain in awe of.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

You agree with Bernie on reparations for blacks? That shit is gonna lose him the election.

Do you even know what Bernie's position on reparations is? I don't think you do.