Elections 2016 Super Saturday to March 14th Primary Thread

[Lead]

Wow, that is big. Never really thought about that. Rubio's political career would basically be over if he lost his home state to Donald Trump.

He likely is going to run for FL Governor if he doesn't get in the cabinet. Ha at over. The guy is in his 40s

 

[speakhandsforme]

(A) Wouldn't a person so versed in the internet to actually know the existence of these typecasts and the location of these pictures be more likely to be an internet warrior? Not looking to side with the trolling guy, just saying. Also, I would think that guys like that above would be FAR more likely to be a right-wing misogynist.
(B) I don't believe you can take zoloft and prozac together.
(C) Aren't you an atheist?
(D) Serious question: do they make orifice-specific lubes? I figured anal lube/vaginal lube would all be the same thing. I guess it would make sense for the anal lube to be thicker and of more viscosity.

 

[VivaRevolution]

He likely is going to run for FL Governor if he doesn't get in the cabinet. Ha at over. The guy is in his 40s

If I am running against Rubio as a candidate, after he lost his home state of Florida to Donald Trump, I would beat him to death with this in a debate.

Over is probably a bit too strong, but putting his political career into jeopardy I think is accurate.

 

[in the]

Wow, that is big. Never really thought about that. Rubio's political career would basically be over if he lost his home state to Donald Trump.

Rubio might save face and quit before Florida. It would be extremely humiliating for him to lose his home state.

 

[in the]

(A) Wouldn't a person so versed in the internet to actually know the existence of these typecasts and the location of these pictures be more likely to be an internet warrior? Not looking to side with the trolling guy, just saying. Also, I would think that guys like that above would be FAR more likely to be a right-wing misogynist.
(B) I don't believe you can take zoloft and prozac together.
(C) Aren't you an atheist?
(D) Serious question: do they make orifice-specific lubes? I figured anal lube/vaginal lube would all be the same thing. I guess it would make sense for the anal lube to be thicker and of more viscosity.

A) No, because it's been around for awhile and knowing what meme to look for isn't a keyboard warrior, it's being able to Google. Really, that's extremely retarded reasoning. Keyboard warriors look tough online. Google searching for an image doesn't come close to fitting that definition.
C) No.
D)

 

[mixmastermo]

The South votes Republican primarily because of reasons traceable to the Civil War: that is undeniable. Between outright racism (that the Republicans obviously pander to), shitty education and lack of regional economy since the loss of slavery, and residual sourness over losing sovereignty to a progressive president, it's obvious.

The last time the dirty South went to the Democrats, it was the last time that the Dems (Kennedy) seemed more socially conservative and racist than the Repubs (Nixon).

While it's obvious that the south votes differently due to differences in culture and interest, I find it ridiculous to believe the descendants from a war that was lost 150 years ago are bitter about it.

That's like saying Japan will not cooperate with the USA after getting nuked in WWII, or Germany shunning the European union.

Oh and that comment about the economy faltering after the abolishment of slavery is laughable. It sounds like you're implying the south needs slavery to survive.

 

[speakhandsforme]

While it's obvious that the south votes differently due to differences in culture and interest, I find it ridiculous to believe the descendants from a war that was lost 150 years ago are bitter about it.

That's like saying Japan will not cooperate with the USA after getting nuked in WWII, or Germany shunning the European union.

Oh and that comment about the economy faltering after the abolishment of slavery is laughable. It sounds like you're implying the south needs slavery to survive.

I'm shocked that residual bitterness over the loss of the Civil War is contested. How do you reconcile "the South will rise again," a still-popular phrase for Southerners, particularly racists?

And your insinuation that the abolition of slavery wasn't directly related to the decline of Southern industry is laughable. While the restriction on free labor was only the precursor to more substantial industrialization of crop economies, it was an obvious and grave threat to Southern livelihood, evidenced by the passionate protection of it.

 

[mixmastermo]

I'm shocked that residual bitterness over the loss of the Civil War is contested. How do you reconcile "the South will rise again," a still-popular phrase for Southerners, particularly racists?

And your insinuation that the abolition of slavery wasn't directly related to the decline of Southern industry is laughable. While the restriction on free labor was only the precursor to more substantial industrialization of crop economies, it was an obvious and grave threat to Southern livelihood, evidenced by the passionate protection of it.

You misunderstood what I said. My point is the abolishment of slavery should not be part of this discussion since it happened so long ago. Of course the economy felt an impact in the immediate years that followed, but 150 years have passed, there has been plenty of time to find opportunities elsewhere.

The south gave us coca cola, CNN, heck the whole time Warner enterprise, Popeyes chick fila, etc. For people to still cling to the fact that they lost the civil war after so much time is pure stupidity. I'm not saying people don't do it- I'm saying it's stupid.

The real reason the south votes the way it does is more complicated than just "the civil war". It's not just an overly-simplified answer, it's a misrepresentation of the real issues.

 

[Makani]

 

[Possum Jenkins]

The real reason the south votes the way it does is more complicated than just "the civil war". It's not just an overly-simplified answer, it's a misrepresentation of the real issues.

Of course it's more complicated. But its roots are the Civil War, the Confederacy itself, and all the cultural and social things that followed from that.

This is one of the best articles I've read regarding this. I know, I know, it's from SJW-central Alternet, but it is very well-argued and researched

Conservative Southern Values Revived: How a Brutal Strain of American Aristocrats Have Come to Rule America

http://www.alternet.org/story/156071/conservative_southern_values_revived:_how_a_brutal_strain_of_american_aristocrats_have_come_to_rule_america

In the old South, on the other hand, the degree of liberty you enjoyed was a direct function of your God-given place in the social hierarchy. The higher your status, the more authority you had, and the more "liberty" you could exercise -- which meant, in practical terms, that you had the right to take more "liberties" with the lives, rights and property of other people.

The old south was authoritative and hierarchical (which explains their love for institutions like religion and the military) even for other whites. When you add the racial element to it, well, you get all the terrible things that are associated with it.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Trump wins Michigan and Mississippi, Cruz wins Idaho and Rubio wins Hawaii.
Michigan -
Trump 35
Cruz 30
Kasich 25
Rubio 10

Hillary wins Michigan 55-45 and Mississippi 68-32

 

[speakhandsforme]

You misunderstood what I said. My point is the abolishment of slavery should not be part of this discussion since it happened so long ago. Of course the economy felt an impact in the immediate years that followed, but 150 years have passed, there has been plenty of time to find opportunities elsewhere.

The south gave us coca cola, CNN, heck the whole time Warner enterprise, Popeyes chick fila, etc. For people to still cling to the fact that they lost the civil war after so much time is pure stupidity. I'm not saying people don't do it- I'm saying it's stupid.

The real reason the south votes the way it does is more complicated than just "the civil war". It's not just an overly-simplified answer, it's a misrepresentation of the real issues.

You misunderstood what I said. I said that the political disposition of the south could be traced to the abolition of slavery, not that it was the only determiner. Anyways, the "should not be part of this discussion since it happened so long ago" is a shallow dismissal of the issue and one that no one will take seriously. It's the same as the one that says the plight of black America has nothing to do with slavery. The trajectory of the south was tied to the preservation of slavery: the North already had infrastructure in industry and higher education and was not nearly as affected by the proposition of abolition. The Civil War, the destruction of southern infrastructure, and the subsequent aftermath in Reconstruction can be directly tied to the current political and economic disposition of the south. Saying "it's been too long" is obtuse and arbitrary.

Is it more complicated? Obviously. Is the Civil War irrelevant? Fuck no.

 

[Lead]

The more I think about it, the more these northern states seem good for Trump. I don't see how his message isn't going to resonate well with the rust belt like Michigan and Ohio. Sure Kasich will be competitive there but aside from having a hometown politician there, it makes sense why Trump would sweep that group of states now.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Kasich will win Ohio - take it to the bank. Michigan will be a test for Trump tonight - polling has been tightening and Cruz always out-performs his polling because of his top notch ground game and their GOTV. But Trump is still in good shape mostly because he has a locked in 35% that seems to be his floor, so the other three candidates split 65% - but with Kasich stronger where Cruz/Rubio are a bit weaker, they still divvy up that 65% whereby there is nobody running away with more than 30 - so Trump wins. Not a big deal now, but will be omce it becomes winner take all on the 15th.

But I suspect Rubio drops out after he loses Florida and a three way of Trump, Kasich and Cruz will start looking like 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 - but Cruz and Kasich will start swapping WTA wins because they have geographic and demographic strengths where when one fades in a State the other will surge, all the while Trump keeps his 35%.

Trump has been killed by the press the last few weeks and all the dark money against him - his supporters are locked in, but he has ZERO chance of growing anymore. Once it becomes a 3-way WTA race, Trump is finished.

 

[mixmastermo]

Of course it's more complicated. But its roots are the Civil War, the Confederacy itself, and all the cultural and social things that followed from that.

This is one of the best articles I've read regarding this. I know, I know, it's from SJW-central Alternet, but it is very well-argued and researched

Conservative Southern Values Revived: How a Brutal Strain of American Aristocrats Have Come to Rule America

http://www.alternet.org/story/156071/conservative_southern_values_revived:_how_a_brutal_strain_of_american_aristocrats_have_come_to_rule_america




The old south was authoritative and hierarchical (which explains their love for institutions like religion and the military) even for other whites. When you add the racial element to it, well, you get all the terrible things that are associated with it.

I get all this, and I agree there is a certain mentality that is prevalent in the south and it's rooted in history. What I'm saying is its wrong for Southerners to cling to that as an excuse.

The other poster was explicitly stating that the abolishment of slavery affects the economy in the south in 2016. That's just absurd to believe at this point.

Take for example a state like connecticut. I'm sure slaves helped build the state and we're a benefit to that economy for a very long time. Today there are no major industries based in Connecticut no major sports teams no tv or movie studios, yet somehow they are one of the most liberal states in the US.

The people living in CT managed to make it without slavery, what's the difference in the South?

 

[mixmastermo]

You misunderstood what I said. I said that the political disposition of the south could be traced to the abolition of slavery, not that it was the only determiner. Anyways, the "should not be part of this discussion since it happened so long ago" is a shallow dismissal of the issue and one that no one will take seriously. It's the same as the one that says the plight of black America has nothing to do with slavery. The trajectory of the south was tied to the preservation of slavery: the North already had infrastructure in industry and higher education and was not nearly as affected by the proposition of abolition. The Civil War, the destruction of southern infrastructure, and the subsequent aftermath in Reconstruction can be directly tied to the current political and economic disposition of the south. Saying "it's been too long" is obtuse and arbitrary.

Is it more complicated? Obviously. Is the Civil War irrelevant? Fuck no.

WWII ended 70 years ago. Germany and Japan have some of the strongest economies, industries, and education systems in the world.

The only difference between me and you is that you are accepting the civil war as the reasoning behind the topic at hand. I hear what you are saying, I'm just not buying it outright, as there are examples of societies that have been able to recover in a much shorter period of time.

 

[machidafan99]

i think Hitlary is feeling the bern this morning

 

[jackasa]

Bernie crushing it in Michigan.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Couple interesting happenings today -

Ben Carson endorses Donald Trump

Rubio Campaign instructs his supporters in OH to vote for Kasich. He's of course hoping Kasich returns the favor in Fla, but I bet that doesn't happen.