Crime 2 Escaped American XL Bulldogs kill 22 pregnant ewes and maul 46 before being shot dead in Wales

[Deleted member 585708]

Honestly dude you still are reaching with the list comment. Or missing the point of the AKC. Its a bit disingenuous to keep saying the list changes constantly.... I'm not trying to be mean. Just trying to be direct and simplify a complicated process.....

I kind of get what you're saying though on the surface level.

However, I feel if you really read how the process worked you would understand its not them changing or instantly adding a breed.

At the end of the day its just back and forth banter. I'm not mad over people I don't know talking trash on the internet about things they don't know.

Here is my take on it (Again):
The list only grows due to there being a world wide backlog of Pure Bred dogs that the AKC has yet to do the appropriate process for admission.
These are already established breeds. Not only that they have gone through years of going through the AKC's FSS process & there rarity group process. While only completing 1 or 2 a year. So these are breeds they have been tracking to for years & anyone who follows the AKC knows what's in the pipeline and the next steps and dates.

So it's literally the opposite of it being "American-centric" like you accused them of. It's them saying they don't know everything under the sun & that there were real dog breeds prior to the AKC being a thing. They are just setting a standard for stuff that was already out there. Or for more modern breeds, a standard that shouldn't allow dogs like the XL Bullies to gain acceptance.

There is a giant difference in accepting American XL Bullies in a registry or club versus an already established pure bred dog and proper working dog such as the Dogo Argentina ( recently added to AKC even though this has been a legit breed for decades.

To your point of "if not recognized today but maybe 20 years later."
The AKC has specific rules that forbid modern crosses of already recognized breeds to create a new "breed." This was specially in the link I sent you.
If any of that changes they will lose their high ground.
I guess a dog breed is more than just crossing dogs for a look in most reputable registries standards.

What I meant when I said "America-centric" is that the assumption that an (read: any) American kennel club is the gold standard, when the Royal Kennel Club in the UK is every bit it's equal, isn't necessarily true.

The RKC, here, has existed for longer, and only has 23 more pedigree breeds by comparison, while being 11 years older.

2 new breeds added to the AKC list each year, well, the math speaks for itself. They're at least on a par in terms of what you'd expect them to recognise and not recognise.

Neither accept the XL Bully. It's not a recognised pedigree breed here, either.

My initial point was that the XL Bully is likely to be outlawed in the UK sooner or later, due to the fact it's the most prolific killer right now. Maybe I'll be proved wrong. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Dafuq’s an American XL Bulldog ?
American Bulldog

The best part is they still dont understand that they want to eradicate an entire breed of dog and their article has the wrong dam dog breed in it....
Hahahahaha
You cant make this shit up.
TY for knowing that the American Bulldog was innocent!
Kudos

 

[WklySportsMemes]

What I meant when I said "America-centric" is that the assumption that an (read: any) American kennel club is the gold standard, when the Royal Kennel Club in the UK is every bit it's equal, isn't necessarily true.

The RKC, here, has existed for longer, and only has 23 more pedigree breeds by comparison, while being 11 years older.

2 new breeds added to the AKC list each year, well, the math speaks for itself. They're at least on a par in terms of what you'd expect them to recognise and not recognise.

Neither accept the XL Bully. It's not a recognised pedigree breed here, either.

My initial point was that the XL Bully is likely to be outlawed in the UK sooner or later, due to the fact it's the most prolific killer right now. Maybe I'll be proved wrong. We'll have to wait and see.

Not interested, have a nice day pseudo expert.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Not interested have a nice day pseudo expert.

So it must be the XL Bully getting banned in the UK that you don't believe.

Or you are actually America-centric in your thinking that the AKC is superior in some way to the RKC, which is retarded.

Either way, at least I understand where your ignorance stems from.

Good night.

 

[SakurabasEar]

You are speaking a lot of folklore. Or what people in the know call breed mythology.
Also, missing the mark with the true danger of a Pitbull. Stop talking out of your ass. You sound like a 5 year old.
Hope you have pitbull nightmares tonight lol.
Sweet dreams. Ruff Ruff.

This is some of the worst bro science I've read on here. Congrats, Saku-san.

Meh, expected responses

You two have indeed seen pit bulls right? And not just the XL killers? This ruse you two are trying to pull here is lost on nobody

This conversation is useless, do the world a favor and spy or neuter your respective pit bulls. It will probably save lives down the road

 

[WklySportsMemes]

So it must be the XL Bully getting banned in the UK that you don't believe.

Or you are actually America-centric in your thinking that the AKC is superior in some way to the RKC, which is retarded.

Either way, at least I understand where your ignorance stems from.

Good night.

Its honestly not my place to say what a foreign country should do with a breed of dog im not a fan of.
Any humane person though would hate that because some "well behaved" dogs will get put down. Or some decent children and owners will lose their best friend or companion.

First you guys have to decide which breed you are banning. You guys were trying to ban the innocent American Bulldog... yikes

Why do AKC dogs cost more than RKC dogs???
Why does the rest of the world prefer the AKC???
P.S. You're a hack
Goodnight! Sleep tight! Dont let the American Bulldog Pit bull Bully XL RKC registered dog bite!!!

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Meh, expected responses

You two have indeed seen pit bulls right? And not just the XL killers? This ruse you two are trying to pull here is lost on nobody

This conversation is useless, do the world a favor and spy or neuter your respective pit bulls. It will probably save lives down the road

Yes, talking to ignorant people who have zero experience with these dogs and who sound like bots or NPC s can be pointless. I agree
For the 13th time I don't have pitbulls currently. Just more proof of illiteracy and an agenda I guess.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Meh, expected responses

You two have indeed seen pit bulls right? And not just the XL killers? This ruse you two are trying to pull here is lost on nobody

This conversation is useless, do the world a favor and spy or neuter your respective pit bulls. It will probably save lives down the road

The dogs this thread is actually about aren't "Pit Bulls" they're known as the American Bully breed. Part of their foundation started out as that but the other half was either American Bulldog, English Bulldog, or Olde English Bulldogge. There's no such thing as an XL Pit because Pit Bulls are a medium size dog. If you ever see claims that there are 100+ pounders out there you can be certain that they're mixed. Stop demonizing breeds that you clearly know nothing about. Stick to MMA. You know, human cockfighting.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Its honestly not my place to say what a foreign country should do with a breed of dog im not a fan of.
Any humane person would hate that because some "well behaved" dogs will get put down. Or some decent children and owners will lose their best friend or companion.

First you guys have to decide which breed you are banning. You guys were trying to ban the innocent American Bulldog... yikes

Why do AKC dogs cost more than RKC dogs???
Why does the rest of the world prefer the AKC???
P.S. You're a hack
Goodnight! Sleep tight! Dont let the American Bulldog Pit bull Bully XL RKC registered dog bite!!!

Was I trying to ban the American Bulldog?

Why do you keep leaning into bullshit like that?

One minute you make sense, then you randomly make a retarded attack based on absolutely nothing.

On to the ignore list for you. It's like talking to a schizophrenic.

 

[SakurabasEar]

Yes, talking to ignorant people who have zero experience with these dogs and who sound like bots or NPC s can be pointless. I agree
For the 13th time I don't have pitbulls currently. Just more proof of illiteracy and an agenda I guess.

If my agenda is less animals and humans getting mauled by pit bulls then I guess I stand by it

Btw, I don't want pit bulls to be harmed. They just need to stop being bred. Most breeds need to stop being bred. The entire situation is gross if you ask me

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Was I trying to ban the American Bulldog?

Why do you keep leaning into bullshit like that?

One minute you make sense, then you randomly make a retarded attack based on absolutely nothing.

On to the ignore list for you. It's like talking to a schizophrenic.

White flag accepted. I suggest books by Dr. Carl Semencic to learn the basics about dog breeds and knowing the difference.
I'm glad I made sense some of the time. Makes up for your total lack of it.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

If my agenda is less animals and humans getting mauled by pit bulls then I guess I stand by it

Btw, I don't want pit bulls to be harmed. They just need to stop being bred. Most breeds need to stop being bred. The entire situation is gross if you ask me

Bully XLs aren't pitbulls for the 107th time.
Are you drunk?
Nope, didn't ask you.

 

[William Huggins]

I don't think the ownership of Bully XLs are particularly likely to be divided along party lines in the UK. I'd be surprised if most of the people who own one vote.

Course they vote on the next horse at Paddy power........

 

[tastaylvr]

Google can help you with that if you genuinely want to know.
You 100% can do both of those things.
Most reputable breeders of working dogs do both of those things before they send a perspective client the puppy contract.
Many people will not sell dogs to inexperienced owners or handlers.
Does this always happen???? No
Is it common practice for good breeders????Yes

We are having a discussion and I just want an answer from you. You said that those breeds are different and I want to know what the differences are..

Do those 3 breeds have a significant amount of differences where they need to be classified differently? and what are those differences?

Is it that hard to answer a simple question??

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I see. Reading is difficult for somebody like you. Which is why you are ignorant on anything dog related.

I said hobby not buisnes, simpleton.
My career that affords me 2 places while you still dwell in your street working mother's basement is literally to tell grunts like you to STFU & work harder or hit the door.

You are all talk coward. You bark more than a dog. If you saw a "pIT bULl" you would do nothing more but pet it or piss your pants.

Hypothetical for you fake tough guy...
You're walking home (because you're poor...no car) and 2 pitbulls are running towards you
What would you do????????
Absolutely fkn nothing (Connor voice).
You wouldn't have the guts to do anything.

The dogs being scary as fuck is kind of why people shouldn't be allowed to own one. Not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

man, pitbulls have got to go.
fuck those monsters. just ban them.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The vast majority of the "Pit Bulls" reported to have attacked people aren't even Pits let alone purebreds. You do realize this. Right? The media loves to misreport them and they've even done so deliberately. It's well known. As of earlier this year 87.6% of APBTs passed their temperament tests according to the ATTS. In previous years they've scored as high as the 95th percentile. Cocker Spaniels have rated lower this year at 82.4%. Chihuahas? Only 68.8% have passed. Dalmatians? Only 83.6% have passed.

The point isn't the temperament of the dog, it's how much damage it can do if it loses it's temper. 12.4% of a dog that could kill my daughter if it lost it's temper failing a temperament test makes me feel more on edge about the breed than anything.

A Chihuahua losing it's temper doesn't scare me at all. What is an angry Chihuahua going to do?

 

[WklySportsMemes]

We are having a discussion and I just want an answer from you. You said that those breeds are different and I want to know what the differences are..

Do those 3 breeds have a significant amount of differences where they need to be classified differently? and what are those differences?

Is it that hard to answer a simple question??

So you want that, but I want you to use Google. Haven't I given out enough easily looked up info????
It's an obvious trap question though. I do not believe you are asking in good faith. I sense another agenda. You factually declared multiple things that weren't just not true, but showed you are really not that informed on the topic. No offense. I'm just growing tired of going back & forth with people who have no real world experience with working dogs. Yet acting like their uninformed opinion holds value.

Yes, they are very different and bred for different purposes. Yes they should be classified different.
All 3 have a very different breed standard.
Easily obtainable online.
2 of them had a specific working purposes with some overlap.
1 of those "breeds" was not bred for any specific working purpose.

What matters most with these dogs will be the purpose and selection process the actual breeder used for their lines. Then how the new owner rears,trains,socializes, and channels the puppy & its drive.
Also, please remember not all breeders breed for, or like the same attributes in their lines as other breeders of the same breed.
So some of these questions are too generic to put a lot of stock in.

The Pitbulls on average pose a threat of having more dog aggression or miss-channeled prey drive if left unchecked. Also, will require more physical exercise. They will have more endurance and game if something goes wrong. But they will be a much smaller & less physically demanding to control than the larger breeds.
God forbid if something went wrong and an average sized adult didn't panic or freak out....they could neutralize the dog. Pure APBT lack human aggression if they can exercise their drive or gameness in other ways. Many APBT breeders kill dogs that show human aggression due to nefarious reasons linked to dog fighting.

The Bully XL & American Bulldogs would be harder to handle or control if things go wrong due the their larger size and just being more power due to their size overall. However, they will tire much quicker and their drive can be redirected or stopped much easier than most true APBTs.
But God forbid if something goes wrong your average sized man is not going to be able to neutralize these dogs without assistance from training tools and or a weapon. In theory these dogs should make better guard dogs but be prone more to human aggression.

American Bully XLs are most likely to be the biggest gamble all around with the most variation due to most of their breeders only breeding for a look.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

You are speaking a lot of folklore. Or what people in the know call breed mythology.
Also, missing the mark with the true danger of a Pitbull. Stop talking out of your ass. You sound like a 5 year old.
Hope you have pitbull nightmares tonight lol.
Sweet dreams. Ruff Ruff.

How would you feel about a law where the owners and breeders of dangerous dogs are held liable for manslaughter or GBH in the case of an attack. So if your dog mauls a child the owner and breeder both do say 10 years in prison.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

The point isn't the temperament of the dog, it's how much damage it can do if it loses it's temper. 12.4% of a dog that could kill my daughter if it lost it's temper makes me feel more on edge about the breed than anything.

A Chihuahua losing it's temper doesn't scare me at all. What is an angry Chihuahua going to do?

We already have laws that ban particular dog breeds in certain regions of the world. They don't work. Never have. Previously in the thread I posted 5 studies showing BSL legislation's ineffectiveness. I know at least some of them are not only formal but also peer reviewed. I already covered Chihuahuas which are still a threat to infants, toddlers, and their attacks can additionally cause psychological damage. They don't necessarily have to take your daughter's life in order to ruin it.