16 Greatest HW’s of all time

[Fioretti]

You know as well as I do it can be a real bitch to find some of those old historical rankings, but I suppose either of us could try and dig them up. The OP used Fight Matrix generated historical rankings. Those can be questionable from time to time. But considering the fact that Hunt was ranked after the Barnett fight, and Fedor was his next fight, it seems pretty reasonable to call him a ranked opponent.

Yeah, except that the OP has him #8, not #10, and Hunt was 5-2 overall going into the fight, with a record of 1-1 in top 10 fights. He beat two unranked people in between squeaking by Cro Cop and losing to Barnett. Anybody else entering the top 10 between September 12th and December 31st would bump Hunt out of the top 10, wouldn't it? Yes, it would, and that's exactly what happened. He wasn't top 10 when Fedor fought him. You've provided a credible link, but it's a very selective and favorable one for you that's not showing the rankings at the time of the fight. You know that, my dude.

 

[Fioretti]

@BFoe

I believe it was Vera entering the top 10 in November, with a win over Mir, that bumped Hunt out. It was a #1 contender fight, and put Vera at 8-0 (4-0 UFC).

 

[Taric]

Don't have a problem with the system, just some of the rankings. Pretty sure both Sylvia and Arlovski were in the top 5 when Fedor fought them, which would then put Fedor at number 1.

Yeah that's my thing as well. This would be more useful if someone took the effort to consolidate a consensus of various historical ranking websites (fightmatrix, Sherdog, tapology, mmaworldrankings, etc) and then calculated it the same way the OP has.

As it is now when there are rankings that are drastically different from the norm (like Sylvia/Arlovski vs Fedor or Nog vs CC) it skews the whole thing.

 

[Barteh]

Nice example to show off that "facts" and statistics are quite irrelevant in GOAT rankings.

 

[gono btw]

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Fedor only has 9 top 10 wins. Coleman wasn't top 10 in the second fight, Goodridge wasn't top 10, and Hunt wasn't top 10 when they fought.

History of odds and rankings 2001-2004 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums (archive.fo)

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Um, no.
I googled “MMA Ranking December 2006” and literally clicked the first thing that came up (that wasn’t Fight Matrix).
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http://mmaworldranking.blogspot.com/2014/07/mma-rankings-after-ufc-65-pride-bushido.html?m=1
But we both know it won’t matter, you’ve been repeating the same nonsense about Fedor and his ranked opponents in every Fedor thread you post in, regardless of how many times you’ve been corrected and shown otherwise.
Carry on.

Ok, cool. Now we're getting somewhere. Sept 12th 2006 he was listed as #10. Didn't the OP have him as #8? Where was he ranked in their next update on Sept 26th? Better yet, where was he ranked when they fought on December 31st 2006?

You can't be selective, Bbroe, you have to be precise.

Spoiler: September 2006

Heavyweight
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Mirko Filipovic
3. Josh Barnett
4. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
5. Tim Sylvia
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Aleksander Emelianenko
8. Mark Hunt
9. Fabricio Werdum
10. Jeff Monson

Light Heavyweight
1. Chuck Liddell
2. Mauricio Rua
3. Wanderlei Silva
4. Ricardo Arona
5. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
6. Renato Sobral
7. Quinton Jackson
8. Tito Ortiz
9. Alistair Overeem
10. Jason Lambert

Middleweight
1. Rich Franklin
2. Matt Lindland
3. Dan Henderson
4. Kazuo Misaki
5. Anderson Silva
6. Paulo Filho
7. Nathan Marquardt
8. Denis Kang
9. David Loiseau
10. Jeremy Horn

Welterweight
1. Matt Hughes
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Diego Sanchez
4. Karo Parysian
5. BJ Penn
6. Akira Kikuchi
7. Jake Shields
8. Jon Fitch
9. Sean Sherk
10. Josh Koscheck

Lightweight
1. Takanori Gomi
2. Tatsuya Kawajiri
3. Mitsuhiro Ishida
4. Hayato Sakurai
5. Vitor Ribeiro
6. Joachim Hansen
7. Marcus Aurelio
8. Gilbert Melendez
9. Norifumi Yamamoto
10. Koutetsu Boku

Featherweight
1. Takeshi Inoue
2. Antonio Carvalho
3. Urijah Faber
4. Rumina Sato
5. Daiki Hata
6. Yoshiro Maeda
7. Rafael Assuncao
8. Tenkei Fujimiya
9. Danny Batten
10. Marcos Galvao

Bantamweight
1. Akitoshi Hokazono
2. Ryota Matsune
3. Kenji Osawa
4. Takeya Mizugaki
5. Daniel Lima
6. Miguel Torres
7. So Tazawa
8. Eddie Wineland
9. Antonio Banuelos
10. Hiroyuki Tanaka

Flyweight
1. Mamoru Yamaguchi
2. Shinichi Kojima
3. Setsu Iguchi
4. Masatoshi Abe
5. Yasuhiro Urushitani
6. Junji Ikoma
7. Homare Kuboyama
8. Yusei Shimokawa
9. Toshimichi Akagi
10. Daiji Takahashi

Spoiler: January 2007

Heavyweight
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Mirko Fillipovic
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4. Josh Barnett
5. Tim Sylvia
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Fabricio Werdum
8. Mark Hunt
9. Brandon Vera
10. Aleksandr Emelianenko

Light Heavyweight
1. Chuck Liddell
2. Mauricio Rua
3. Wanderlei Silva
4. Ricardo Arona
5. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
6. Renato Sobral
7. Quinton Jackson
8. Tito Ortiz
9. Rashad Evans
10. Kazuhiro Nakamura

Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. Matt Lindland
3. Paulo Filho
4. Rich Franklin
5. Kazuo Misaki
6. Dan Henderson
7. Nathan Marquardt
8. Denis Kang
9. Mike Swick
10. Akihiro Gono

Welterweight
1. Georges St.Pierre
2. Matt Hughes
3. Diego Sanchez
4. Karo Parysian
5. Jon Fitch
6. Akira Kikuchi
7. Jake Shields
8. Josh Koscheck
9. Nick Diaz
10. BJ Penn

Lightweight
1. Takanori Gomi
2. Gilbert Melendez
3. Hayato Sakurai
4. Vitor Ribeiro
5. Tatsuya Kawajiri
6. Shinya Aoki
7. Mitsuhiro Ishida
8. Joachim Hansen
9. Marcus Aurelio
10. Norifumi Yamamoto

Poor Fioretti has no luck when Mighty Gono is in da zone...

 

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

I meant Hughes had loses in his prime. And a lot of them. He lost to Denis Hallman twice , some guy named Landi-Jons, BJ, GSP.

Do you know who Pele is yet

 

[Taric]

Do you know who Pele is yet

lol i missed that whole exchange.

 

[BFoe]

@BFoe

I believe it was Vera entering the top 10 in November, with a win over Mir, that bumped Hunt out. It was a #1 contender fight, and put Vera at 8-0 (4-0 UFC).

Per MMAWeekly, Hunt was #9 in Dec 2006. If I have time, I’ll try and dig up the Dec 19 ranking it I can find it. (This one is Dec 5)
https://www.mmaweekly.com/mmaweekly-rankings-updated-on-december-5-2

 

[Fioretti]

Per MMAWeekly, Hunt was #9 in Dec 2006. If I have time, I’ll try and dig up the Dec 19 ranking it I can find it. (This one is Dec 5)
https://www.mmaweekly.com/mmaweekly-rankings-updated-on-december-5-2

I found it.

https://www.mmaweekly.com/mmaweekly-rankings-updated-22

Still #9, and he didn't move on their January 2nd update either. So, Hunt can count as a top 10, but as #9, not 8.

Try the same for Goodridge and Coleman (2nd fight), and it won't happen. So Fedor has 10, not 12, top 10 wins. One of them being a title defense against #9 ranked Mark Hunt (5-2 MMA) coming off a loss.

IIRC, Sherdog had Vera bumping Hunt, not Mmaweekly.