16 Greatest HW’s of all time

[Stevanchez]

Good job, nice system.
The only problem is for fighter who are temporarily unranked but still should count as top 10 wins. Werdum and Ngannou got 0 points for beating Cain.
And more importantly, what happens to whoever beats Jones next?

I would suggest that any title defense should be worth 10 points, regardless of the opponent.

But then what titles count? PRIDE? UFC? Strikeforce? Bellator?
Do guys like Sylvia, Arlovski, Couture, Lesnar, etc. get points for defending the UFC title when Fedor was the #1 HW?
Are we gonna give Fedor credit for defending the WAMMA title 3x in Affliction and Strikeforce when it was rightfully the #1 HW title in the world?

 

[Local Plata]

The fuck ... where did you get these rankings from? When was Schilt ever #2 and why the fuck is Nakamura listed as #6 on Barnett's record? Dude was a middleweight for fucks sake. Not to mention there is no control for strength of the division. This point system is scuffed as hell.

 

[spinup]

But then what titles count? PRIDE? UFC? Strikeforce? Bellator?
Do guys like Sylvia, Arlovski, Couture, Lesnar, etc. get points for defending the UFC title when Fedor was the #1 HW?
Are we gonna give Fedor credit for defending the WAMMA title 3x in Affliction and Strikeforce when it was rightfully the #1 HW title in the world?

Only UFC and Pride, according to TS idea.

 

[GOATtalks]

I kinda wanna say what I think about this so called 'system', but it looks like someone put some genuine effort into it so I will refrain, but imagine putting Lesnar and Gane over Crocop to start out the list with. I will leave it at that.

CroCop has never been the champ and only managed to beat 2 top10 fighters and one of them is Heath Herring, lol. He was possibly the 3rd best guy of his era, that’s about it.

 

[GOATtalks]

Stipe at number 1

You don’t like facts do you? Stipe beat 8 top5 guys, while Fedor only beat 4. Strength of competition matters

 

[GOATtalks]

Randleman & Sobral were ranked in the top ten when Fedor beat them.

Not by FightMatrix

 

[Hazuki Ryo]

This needs CONTEXT to be taken seriously. Stipe's win over JDS is questionable since JDS was not the man he used to be. In his prime he killed Stipe

 

[Deleted member 110072]

You don’t like facts do you? Stipe beat 8 top5 guys, while Fedor only beat 4. Strength of competition matters

The fact you need to shift it to "top 5" I think is telling for this era of HW were basically "top 10" has really stopped having much meaning as quality has dropped off although really any rankings from the early/mid 00's are not going to be that standardised anyway nore was match making set up so that fighters met at their ranking peak.

Besides that though Stipe's big weakness is that he consistently lost fights, his longest winning run is 6 fights over 2 1/2 years were as Fedor's even if you start from the TK "loss" was 28 fights over 8 1/2 years.

Rankings wise I think....

1.Fedor
2.Nog
3-8.Werdum, Cain, JDS, Crocop, Stipe, Barnett

You could divide the chasing group up via what you value more in their careers but I don't think it would really be a defintive case, maybe Barnett a little behind the rest.

 

[pankrat]

@acannxr made a thread a while ago ranking best HW’s in the world by the number of top10 wins based on FightMatrix.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...st-top-10-ranked-wins-at-heavyweight.4148848/

Thank you for your research @acannrx, I’ll use your thread as a base, although your approach is a bit flawed, because beating #10 guy isn’t the same as beating the #1 guy. So a better system would be a point based system. A win over #1 guy equals 10 points and a win over #10 guy equals 1 point. So let’s begin:

#16 Mirko Filipovic

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#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#6 Josh Barnett 5 points
#2 Josh Barnett 9 points

Filipovic has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#15 Ciryl Gane

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#7 JDS 4 points
#5 Jairzinho Rozenstruick 6 points
#6 Alexander Volkov 5 points
#3 Derrick Lewis 8 points

Gane has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#14 Frank Mir

#4 Tim Sylvia 7 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#8 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 3 points
#7 Antonio Silva 4 points

Mir has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#13 Brock Lesnar

#9 Heath Herring 2 points
#3 Randy Couture 8 points
#3 Frank Mir 8 points
#5 Shane Carwin 6 points

Lesnar has 4 top ten wins and 24 points


#12 Andrei Arlovski

#7 Vladimir Matyushenko 4 points
#7 Tim Sylvia 4 points
#9 Fabricio Werdum 2 points
#4 Antonio Silva 7 points
#4 Travis Browne 7 points
#9 Frank Mir 2 points

Arlovski has 6 top ten wins and 26 points


#11 Daniel Cormier

#6 Antonio Silva 5 points
#8 Josh Barnett 3 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points
#5 Derrick Lewis 6 points

Cormier has 5 top ten wins and 28 points


#10 Fabricio Werdum

#4 Gabriel Gonzaga 7 points
#1 Fedor Emelianenko 10 points
#10 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 1 point
#5 Travis Browne 6 points
#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#8 Travis Browne 3 points

Werdum has 6 top ten wins and 33 points


#9 Randy Couture

#6 Maurice Smith 5 points
#5 Kevin Randleman 6 points
#8 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 3 points
#5 Pedro Rizzo 6 points
#10 Pedro Rizzo 1 point
#5 Tim Sylvia 6 points
#3 Gabriel Gonzaga 8 points

Couture has 7 top ten wins 35 points


#8 Francis Ngannou

#8 Andrei Arlovski 3 points
#2 Alistair Overeem 9 points
#3 Curtis Blaydes 8 points
#4 Junior dos Santos 7 points
#7 Jairzinho Rozenstruik 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points

Ngannou has 6 top ten wins and 41 points


#7 Alistair Overeem

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#7 Sergei Kharitonov 4 points
#9 Brett Rogers 2 points
#3 Fabricio Werdum 8 points
#2 Brock Lesnar 9 points
#10 Frank Mir 1 point
#3 Junior Dos Santos 8 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points
#6 Mark Hunt 5 points
#2 Fabricio Werdum 9 points

Overeem has 9 top ten wins and 44 points


#6 Junior dos Santos

#4 Fabricio Werdum 7 points
#9 Mirko Filipovic 2 points
#6 Shane Carwin 5 points
#1 Cain Velasquez 10 points
#4 Frank Mir 7 points
#9 Mark Hunt 2 points
#6 Ben Rothwell 5 points
#4 Derrick Lewis 7 points

dos Santos has 8 top ten wins and 45 points


#5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

#5 Valentijn Overeem 6 points
#5 Gary Goodridge 6 points
#3 Mark Coleman 8 points
#6 Ricco Rodriguez 5 points
#5 Mirko Filipovic 6 points
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#9 Tim Sylvia 2 points
#5 Randy Couture 6 points
#10 Brendan Schaub 1 point

Nogueira has 9 top ten wins 48 points


#4 Josh Barnett

#2 Semmy Schilt 9 points
#2 Randy Couture 9 points
#10 Semmy Schilt 1 point
#6 Kazuhiro Nakamura 5 points
#2 Mark Hunt 9 points
#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points

Barnett has 8 top ten wins and 49 points


#3 Cain Velasquez

#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#1 Brock Lesnar 10 points
#9 Antonio Silva 2 points
#1 Junior dos Santos 10 points
#3 Antonio Silva 8 points
#2 Junior dos Santos 9 points
#8 Travis Browne 3

Velasquez has 7 top ten wins and 50 points


#2 Fedor Emelianenko

#6 Semmy Schilt 5 points
#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#1 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 10 points
#8 Gary Goodridge 3 points
#9 Mark Coleman 2 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#4 Mirko Filipovic 7 points
#4 Mark Coleman 7 points
#7 Mark Hunt 4 points
#8 Tim Sylvia 3 points
#6 Andrei Arlovski 5 points
#8 Brett Rogers 3 points

Emelianenko has 12 top ten wins and 55 points


#1 Stipe Miocic

#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#3 Andrei Arlovski 8 points
#1 Fabricio Werdum 10
#3 Alistair Overeem 8 points
#5 Junior dos Santos 6 points
#2 Francis Ngannou 9 points
#1 Daniel Cormier 10 points
#2 Daniel Cormier 9 points

Miocic has 8 top ten wins and 66 points


Like @acannxr, I only used UFC/Pride champions for this list. This is the most objective unbiased system I’ve could come up with!
Discuss

EDIT: Alistair Overeem added to the list

A list done by two nerds - @GOATtalks and @acannxr - who don't watch fights and dont have a clue about the sport. They love reading fightmatrix and wikipedia though and all their "points" are based on that. Literally.

It's cool but dont make mistake people, thats what you are getting with these two forum nerds

 

[Simple Southerner]

You are a known Fedor hater I'm surprised you had him @ #2
Anyways solid list for the most part

 

[Deleted member 110072]

A list done by two nerds - @GOATtalks and @acannxr - who don't watch fights and dont have a clue about the sport. They love reading fightmatrix and wikipedia though and all their "points" are based on that. Literally.

It's cool but dont make mistake people, thats what you are getting with these two forum nerds

I'd suggest attension seeking troll rather than nerd who just carries on looking to push the same ideas any way he can come up with to get that attension fix.

 

[pankrat]

I'd suggest attension seeking troll rather than nerd who just carries on looking to push the same ideas any way he can come up with to get that attension fix.

Yep, that's more accurate

 

[JustBleed69]

@acannxr made a thread a while ago ranking best HW’s in the world by the number of top10 wins based on FightMatrix.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...st-top-10-ranked-wins-at-heavyweight.4148848/

Thank you for your research @acannrx, I’ll use your thread as a base, although your approach is a bit flawed, because beating #10 guy isn’t the same as beating the #1 guy. So a better system would be a point based system. A win over #1 guy equals 10 points and a win over #10 guy equals 1 point. So let’s begin:

#16 Mirko Filipovic

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#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#6 Josh Barnett 5 points
#2 Josh Barnett 9 points

Filipovic has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#15 Ciryl Gane

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#7 JDS 4 points
#5 Jairzinho Rozenstruick 6 points
#6 Alexander Volkov 5 points
#3 Derrick Lewis 8 points

Gane has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#14 Frank Mir

#4 Tim Sylvia 7 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#8 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 3 points
#7 Antonio Silva 4 points

Mir has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#13 Brock Lesnar

#9 Heath Herring 2 points
#3 Randy Couture 8 points
#3 Frank Mir 8 points
#5 Shane Carwin 6 points

Lesnar has 4 top ten wins and 24 points


#12 Andrei Arlovski

#7 Vladimir Matyushenko 4 points
#7 Tim Sylvia 4 points
#9 Fabricio Werdum 2 points
#4 Antonio Silva 7 points
#4 Travis Browne 7 points
#9 Frank Mir 2 points

Arlovski has 6 top ten wins and 26 points


#11 Daniel Cormier

#6 Antonio Silva 5 points
#8 Josh Barnett 3 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points
#5 Derrick Lewis 6 points

Cormier has 5 top ten wins and 28 points


#10 Fabricio Werdum

#4 Gabriel Gonzaga 7 points
#1 Fedor Emelianenko 10 points
#10 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 1 point
#5 Travis Browne 6 points
#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#8 Travis Browne 3 points

Werdum has 6 top ten wins and 33 points


#9 Randy Couture

#6 Maurice Smith 5 points
#5 Kevin Randleman 6 points
#8 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 3 points
#5 Pedro Rizzo 6 points
#10 Pedro Rizzo 1 point
#5 Tim Sylvia 6 points
#3 Gabriel Gonzaga 8 points

Couture has 7 top ten wins 35 points


#8 Francis Ngannou

#8 Andrei Arlovski 3 points
#2 Alistair Overeem 9 points
#3 Curtis Blaydes 8 points
#4 Junior dos Santos 7 points
#7 Jairzinho Rozenstruik 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points

Ngannou has 6 top ten wins and 41 points


#7 Alistair Overeem

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#7 Sergei Kharitonov 4 points
#9 Brett Rogers 2 points
#3 Fabricio Werdum 8 points
#2 Brock Lesnar 9 points
#10 Frank Mir 1 point
#3 Junior Dos Santos 8 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points
#6 Mark Hunt 5 points
#2 Fabricio Werdum 9 points

Overeem has 9 top ten wins and 44 points


#6 Junior dos Santos

#4 Fabricio Werdum 7 points
#9 Mirko Filipovic 2 points
#6 Shane Carwin 5 points
#1 Cain Velasquez 10 points
#4 Frank Mir 7 points
#9 Mark Hunt 2 points
#6 Ben Rothwell 5 points
#4 Derrick Lewis 7 points

dos Santos has 8 top ten wins and 45 points


#5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

#5 Valentijn Overeem 6 points
#5 Gary Goodridge 6 points
#3 Mark Coleman 8 points
#6 Ricco Rodriguez 5 points
#5 Mirko Filipovic 6 points
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#9 Tim Sylvia 2 points
#5 Randy Couture 6 points
#10 Brendan Schaub 1 point

Nogueira has 9 top ten wins 48 points


#4 Josh Barnett

#2 Semmy Schilt 9 points
#2 Randy Couture 9 points
#10 Semmy Schilt 1 point
#6 Kazuhiro Nakamura 5 points
#2 Mark Hunt 9 points
#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points

Barnett has 8 top ten wins and 49 points


#3 Cain Velasquez

#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#1 Brock Lesnar 10 points
#9 Antonio Silva 2 points
#1 Junior dos Santos 10 points
#3 Antonio Silva 8 points
#2 Junior dos Santos 9 points
#8 Travis Browne 3

Velasquez has 7 top ten wins and 50 points


#2 Fedor Emelianenko

#6 Semmy Schilt 5 points
#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#1 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 10 points
#8 Gary Goodridge 3 points
#9 Mark Coleman 2 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#4 Mirko Filipovic 7 points
#4 Mark Coleman 7 points
#7 Mark Hunt 4 points
#8 Tim Sylvia 3 points
#6 Andrei Arlovski 5 points
#8 Brett Rogers 3 points

Emelianenko has 12 top ten wins and 55 points


#1 Stipe Miocic

#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#3 Andrei Arlovski 8 points
#1 Fabricio Werdum 10
#3 Alistair Overeem 8 points
#5 Junior dos Santos 6 points
#2 Francis Ngannou 9 points
#1 Daniel Cormier 10 points
#2 Daniel Cormier 9 points

Miocic has 8 top ten wins and 66 points


Like @acannxr, I only used UFC/Pride champions for this list. This is the most objective unbiased system I’ve could come up with!
Discuss

EDIT: Alistair Overeem added to the list

This is why I believe in the difference between GOAT and BOAT (Greatest vs Best).

Greatest is more objective ie. Who has the best body of work/ resumé?
Best is more subjective ie. Who do you think was the best in their prime?

GOAT is Stipe followed by Fedor, BOAT for me is Daniel Cormier or Fedor. Francis or Gane could steal that eventually though.

 

[Stevanchez]

Not by FightMatrix

That is FightMatrix I linked to.
Randleman was #7
Sobral was #8
Click their names and scroll down to see FightMatrix's rankings at the time they fought Fedor.

 

[Lee_]

Not terrible. Rankings like this are hard to do because of the different competition level at different times. Not really possible to be totally objective.

 

[Vegeta]

@acannxr made a thread a while ago ranking best HW’s in the world by the number of top10 wins based on FightMatrix.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...st-top-10-ranked-wins-at-heavyweight.4148848/

Thank you for your research @acannrx, I’ll use your thread as a base, although your approach is a bit flawed, because beating #10 guy isn’t the same as beating the #1 guy. So a better system would be a point based system. A win over #1 guy equals 10 points and a win over #10 guy equals 1 point. So let’s begin:

#16 Mirko Filipovic

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#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#6 Josh Barnett 5 points
#2 Josh Barnett 9 points

Filipovic has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#15 Ciryl Gane

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#7 JDS 4 points
#5 Jairzinho Rozenstruick 6 points
#6 Alexander Volkov 5 points
#3 Derrick Lewis 8 points

Gane has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#14 Frank Mir

#4 Tim Sylvia 7 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#8 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 3 points
#7 Antonio Silva 4 points

Mir has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#13 Brock Lesnar

#9 Heath Herring 2 points
#3 Randy Couture 8 points
#3 Frank Mir 8 points
#5 Shane Carwin 6 points

Lesnar has 4 top ten wins and 24 points


#12 Andrei Arlovski

#7 Vladimir Matyushenko 4 points
#7 Tim Sylvia 4 points
#9 Fabricio Werdum 2 points
#4 Antonio Silva 7 points
#4 Travis Browne 7 points
#9 Frank Mir 2 points

Arlovski has 6 top ten wins and 26 points


#11 Daniel Cormier

#6 Antonio Silva 5 points
#8 Josh Barnett 3 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points
#5 Derrick Lewis 6 points

Cormier has 5 top ten wins and 28 points


#10 Fabricio Werdum

#4 Gabriel Gonzaga 7 points
#1 Fedor Emelianenko 10 points
#10 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 1 point
#5 Travis Browne 6 points
#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#8 Travis Browne 3 points

Werdum has 6 top ten wins and 33 points


#9 Randy Couture

#6 Maurice Smith 5 points
#5 Kevin Randleman 6 points
#8 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 3 points
#5 Pedro Rizzo 6 points
#10 Pedro Rizzo 1 point
#5 Tim Sylvia 6 points
#3 Gabriel Gonzaga 8 points

Couture has 7 top ten wins 35 points


#8 Francis Ngannou

#8 Andrei Arlovski 3 points
#2 Alistair Overeem 9 points
#3 Curtis Blaydes 8 points
#4 Junior dos Santos 7 points
#7 Jairzinho Rozenstruik 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points

Ngannou has 6 top ten wins and 41 points


#7 Alistair Overeem

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#7 Sergei Kharitonov 4 points
#9 Brett Rogers 2 points
#3 Fabricio Werdum 8 points
#2 Brock Lesnar 9 points
#10 Frank Mir 1 point
#3 Junior Dos Santos 8 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points
#6 Mark Hunt 5 points
#2 Fabricio Werdum 9 points

Overeem has 9 top ten wins and 44 points


#6 Junior dos Santos

#4 Fabricio Werdum 7 points
#9 Mirko Filipovic 2 points
#6 Shane Carwin 5 points
#1 Cain Velasquez 10 points
#4 Frank Mir 7 points
#9 Mark Hunt 2 points
#6 Ben Rothwell 5 points
#4 Derrick Lewis 7 points

dos Santos has 8 top ten wins and 45 points


#5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

#5 Valentijn Overeem 6 points
#5 Gary Goodridge 6 points
#3 Mark Coleman 8 points
#6 Ricco Rodriguez 5 points
#5 Mirko Filipovic 6 points
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#9 Tim Sylvia 2 points
#5 Randy Couture 6 points
#10 Brendan Schaub 1 point

Nogueira has 9 top ten wins 48 points


#4 Josh Barnett

#2 Semmy Schilt 9 points
#2 Randy Couture 9 points
#10 Semmy Schilt 1 point
#6 Kazuhiro Nakamura 5 points
#2 Mark Hunt 9 points
#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points

Barnett has 8 top ten wins and 49 points


#3 Cain Velasquez

#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#1 Brock Lesnar 10 points
#9 Antonio Silva 2 points
#1 Junior dos Santos 10 points
#3 Antonio Silva 8 points
#2 Junior dos Santos 9 points
#8 Travis Browne 3

Velasquez has 7 top ten wins and 50 points


#2 Fedor Emelianenko

#6 Semmy Schilt 5 points
#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#1 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 10 points
#8 Gary Goodridge 3 points
#9 Mark Coleman 2 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#4 Mirko Filipovic 7 points
#4 Mark Coleman 7 points
#7 Mark Hunt 4 points
#8 Tim Sylvia 3 points
#6 Andrei Arlovski 5 points
#8 Brett Rogers 3 points

Emelianenko has 12 top ten wins and 55 points


#1 Stipe Miocic

#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#3 Andrei Arlovski 8 points
#1 Fabricio Werdum 10
#3 Alistair Overeem 8 points
#5 Junior dos Santos 6 points
#2 Francis Ngannou 9 points
#1 Daniel Cormier 10 points
#2 Daniel Cormier 9 points

Miocic has 8 top ten wins and 66 points


Like @acannxr, I only used UFC/Pride champions for this list. This is the most objective unbiased system I’ve could come up with!
Discuss

EDIT: Alistair Overeem added to the list

Alistair fought Oleynik and Nelson, they both ranked #9 at that moment.

 

[DayV]

CroCop has never been the champ and only managed to beat 2 top10 fighters and one of them is Heath Herring, lol. He was possibly the 3rd best guy of his era, that’s about it.

Cro Cop was champ. Grand Prix is world championship by tournament system. Pride had 2 titles and 2 systems that intercharged.

Don't use Fightmatrix.
Fightmatrix did not exist before 2008, it has no relevance for Pride era, and it had no impact on how MMA scene and people viewed and valued fighters real time while it happened. You need to research original and authentic media rankings from those times, and that requires a lot more effort and time.

Cro Cop has 10 Top 10 wins by authentic original media rankings from those times.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/top-10-wins-of-mma-fighters-list.3383459/

MIRKO FILIPOVIC

1. Kazuyuki Fujita
2. Kazushi Sakuraba (ranked MW)
3. Kazuyuki Fujita
4. Heath Herring
5. Igor Vovchanchyn
6. Josh Barnett
7. Kevin Randleman
8. Josh Barnett
9. Wanderlei Silva
10. Josh Barnett

His wins over Vovchanchyn, Randlema, Coleman are the same thing as younger guys like Blaydes, Gagne, Ngannou beating older legends like JDS, Cain, Arlovski... and recording Top 10 wins based on that.

 

[mjfan23]

Lol At Stipe being number one. He didn’t ever beat anyone good who was in their prime. Ever !!

and Gane already ahead of Mirko? TS gone full retard(again)

Stipe was number one for TS by beating past or not yet In prime guys while Timmy whose title ufc reign record Stipe broke gets no love at all.

 

[Shaddows]

@acannxr made a thread a while ago ranking best HW’s in the world by the number of top10 wins based on FightMatrix.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...st-top-10-ranked-wins-at-heavyweight.4148848/

Thank you for your research @acannrx, I’ll use your thread as a base, although your approach is a bit flawed, because beating #10 guy isn’t the same as beating the #1 guy. So a better system would be a point based system. A win over #1 guy equals 10 points and a win over #10 guy equals 1 point. So let’s begin:

#16 Mirko Filipovic

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#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#6 Josh Barnett 5 points
#2 Josh Barnett 9 points

Filipovic has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#15 Ciryl Gane

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#7 JDS 4 points
#5 Jairzinho Rozenstruick 6 points
#6 Alexander Volkov 5 points
#3 Derrick Lewis 8 points

Gane has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#14 Frank Mir

#4 Tim Sylvia 7 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#8 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 3 points
#7 Antonio Silva 4 points

Mir has 4 top ten wins and 23 points


#13 Brock Lesnar

#9 Heath Herring 2 points
#3 Randy Couture 8 points
#3 Frank Mir 8 points
#5 Shane Carwin 6 points

Lesnar has 4 top ten wins and 24 points


#12 Andrei Arlovski

#7 Vladimir Matyushenko 4 points
#7 Tim Sylvia 4 points
#9 Fabricio Werdum 2 points
#4 Antonio Silva 7 points
#4 Travis Browne 7 points
#9 Frank Mir 2 points

Arlovski has 6 top ten wins and 26 points


#11 Daniel Cormier

#6 Antonio Silva 5 points
#8 Josh Barnett 3 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points
#5 Derrick Lewis 6 points

Cormier has 5 top ten wins and 28 points


#10 Fabricio Werdum

#4 Gabriel Gonzaga 7 points
#1 Fedor Emelianenko 10 points
#10 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 1 point
#5 Travis Browne 6 points
#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#8 Travis Browne 3 points

Werdum has 6 top ten wins and 33 points


#9 Randy Couture

#6 Maurice Smith 5 points
#5 Kevin Randleman 6 points
#8 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 3 points
#5 Pedro Rizzo 6 points
#10 Pedro Rizzo 1 point
#5 Tim Sylvia 6 points
#3 Gabriel Gonzaga 8 points

Couture has 7 top ten wins 35 points


#8 Francis Ngannou

#8 Andrei Arlovski 3 points
#2 Alistair Overeem 9 points
#3 Curtis Blaydes 8 points
#4 Junior dos Santos 7 points
#7 Jairzinho Rozenstruik 4 points
#1 Stipe Miocic 10 points

Ngannou has 6 top ten wins and 41 points


#7 Alistair Overeem

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#7 Sergei Kharitonov 4 points
#9 Brett Rogers 2 points
#3 Fabricio Werdum 8 points
#2 Brock Lesnar 9 points
#10 Frank Mir 1 point
#3 Junior Dos Santos 8 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points
#6 Mark Hunt 5 points
#2 Fabricio Werdum 9 points

Overeem has 9 top ten wins and 44 points


#6 Junior dos Santos

#4 Fabricio Werdum 7 points
#9 Mirko Filipovic 2 points
#6 Shane Carwin 5 points
#1 Cain Velasquez 10 points
#4 Frank Mir 7 points
#9 Mark Hunt 2 points
#6 Ben Rothwell 5 points
#4 Derrick Lewis 7 points

dos Santos has 8 top ten wins and 45 points


#5 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

#5 Valentijn Overeem 6 points
#5 Gary Goodridge 6 points
#3 Mark Coleman 8 points
#6 Ricco Rodriguez 5 points
#5 Mirko Filipovic 6 points
#3 Josh Barnett 8 points
#9 Tim Sylvia 2 points
#5 Randy Couture 6 points
#10 Brendan Schaub 1 point

Nogueira has 9 top ten wins 48 points


#4 Josh Barnett

#2 Semmy Schilt 9 points
#2 Randy Couture 9 points
#10 Semmy Schilt 1 point
#6 Kazuhiro Nakamura 5 points
#2 Mark Hunt 9 points
#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#7 Frank Mir 4 points
#7 Andrei Arlovski 4 points

Barnett has 8 top ten wins and 49 points


#3 Cain Velasquez

#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 8 points
#1 Brock Lesnar 10 points
#9 Antonio Silva 2 points
#1 Junior dos Santos 10 points
#3 Antonio Silva 8 points
#2 Junior dos Santos 9 points
#8 Travis Browne 3

Velasquez has 7 top ten wins and 50 points


#2 Fedor Emelianenko

#6 Semmy Schilt 5 points
#10 Heath Herring 1 point
#1 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 10 points
#8 Gary Goodridge 3 points
#9 Mark Coleman 2 points
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 9 points
#4 Mirko Filipovic 7 points
#4 Mark Coleman 7 points
#7 Mark Hunt 4 points
#8 Tim Sylvia 3 points
#6 Andrei Arlovski 5 points
#8 Brett Rogers 3 points

Emelianenko has 12 top ten wins and 55 points


#1 Stipe Miocic

#5 Mark Hunt 6 points
#3 Andrei Arlovski 8 points
#1 Fabricio Werdum 10
#3 Alistair Overeem 8 points
#5 Junior dos Santos 6 points
#2 Francis Ngannou 9 points
#1 Daniel Cormier 10 points
#2 Daniel Cormier 9 points

Miocic has 8 top ten wins and 66 points


Like @acannxr, I only used UFC/Pride champions for this list. This is the most objective unbiased system I’ve could come up with!
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EDIT: Alistair Overeem added to the list

Numbers alone without context is just plain wrong.
Junior, at the time Miocic fought him the second time .
Same for DC. He was already quitting MMA and obviously not the same as at his peak, etc...
The above is Just to provide some examples....not to demean DC alone.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Have you ever heard of PRIDE FC?

Yes of course. Still don't know how Timmy is #7? Also as some mentioned losses should be factored in somehow but its all subjective and no way to scientifically prove.

Anyway its a good topic to discuss on an MMA forum. (Maybe we can leave Sherdog and find one! LOL) Glad PPV buys and net worth of fighters wasn't a factor.