12-6 Elbow from the bottom..

Yo dawg. I dunno if you've seen a clock, but if an elbow is thrown from the bottom that would make it a 6-12 strike.
 
Could their be a more pointless rule. The only time I remember it actually playing out was Jon Jones Mat Hamil
 
But were they A.M. or P.M. and then you have to take into account time zones since this was being watched internationally?
 
Not 12-6 elbows from the floor, more like 9-3 which aren't illegal.
 
The referee knows how to tell the time: they were 9 to 3 elobows, NOT 12 to 6, LOL!
 
I haven't read through all of the posts, so ignore this if it is irrelevant.

The first time I remember this being an issue was with Anderson Silva Vs Travis Lutter (sp?). Randy couture and Rogan had a back and forth about it, but I remember Rogan saying something like, "It's the exact same motion," referring to 6-12 vs 3-9.

I'd have to agree with Rogan's implications. The only difference would be the fighters weight, which seems paltry vs the force a professional fighter could generate using his core, torso, and arms in either position. With that said, a standing fighter might be able to elbow the brainstem area while standing with a literal 12-6 motion and also employ leg muscles. Perhaps that's the source of the rule.
 
You don't know MMA rules, what a shame.

12 to 6 means 12 to 6.
It is illegal when it's "from the sky to the ground", top to bottom. It was never ever illegal to throw the elbows he threw.
End of the discussion.
 
Easy test,

Take a seat of the floor, or on your knees.
Now drop an elbow from 12, which is straight up like on a clock, and drop it down, to where the 6 would be on a clock.

See how easy that is?

Now lay on your back

And do the same muscle motion.

Not the fucking same.

Also people fair to realize that a 12-6 elbow is damn near indefensible. It splits guards and it has a way of finding itself into eyes. It usually can only be used when you are ontop of someone in guard, or defending a takedown.

If you are in someones guard and they are hitting you with 9-3 elbows, well, you have the advantageous position, you could easily stand up and not get hit with those elbows.


See what they are legal?
 
what clock position is a jab? an uppercut, a hook? i need visuals folks
 
neomage2021 said:
no it's not...where do you come up with this stupid shit. 12 to 6 is defined as ceiling to floor, completely vertical. It's NOT the refs discretion.
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I understand the rule. I was referring to hiw refs do warn when elbows of this type are difficult to discern between top and back of skull.
 
I've seen refs warn fighters on numerous occasions about using downward elbows when they have someone in their guard. I'm not saying it's a good rule, but you people yelling "it's 3-9!" need to watch more fights. 12-6 is obviously in relation to your body.
 
I'm surprised Mendes didn't know they were legal.
 
Bloodworth said:
never liked those spike elbows to the top of the head
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To the top of the head IS illegal (the 'mohawk' area). That may be why a lot of people ITT are confused, because people do get warned for that sometimes. That is probably what Chad was complaining about. Obviously 12-6 from the bottom is impossible though.
 
Makani said:
I've seen refs warn fighters on numerous occasions about using downward elbows when they have someone in their guard. I'm not saying it's a good rule, but you people yelling "it's 3-9!" need to watch more fights. 12-6 is obviously in relation to your body.
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I hope you're joking, because if not you clearly missed the Big John video where he clearly states it's *not* in relation to your body. Maybe you need to watch more fights.
 
Do you know what 12 to 6 means ?

Those weren't 12 to 6 elbows.
 
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