“If You Leave Your Team You’re A Traitor" (Kron Gracie Talking About Cub Swanson)

It most cases I would agree with Kron, I'm def an old-school thinker like that but Cub left Jackson-Wink and that place is known for its constant dysfunction so I'll side with Cub on this one.


There are plenty of valid reasons to leave a team that have nothing to do with dysfunction.

The mentality of BJJ schools is a bunch of antiquated horseshit that's only fair for prominent members of the community like Kron and his relatives.
 
This guy and this elitist story of growing up Gracie.

Nobody can relate to the way you grew up, Iron.
 
When Cub has lost a fight he always questions himself, his team and everything in regards to improvement and bettering his game, this isn't anything to do with not being loyal it's to do with wanting to improve in your profession and be the best while you can in the profession which as we know isn't always long term.

It's not exclusive to Cub either, how many times do people say about looking at a fighters camp and how they need to change this, I've heard it a lot in regards to Cody Garbrandt and recently I've heard it a little in regards to Al Iaquinta.

Also when fighters change camps it's never personal and many times they remain friends and remain loyal that way also, if I was a trainer and knew I wasn't benefiting my fighter I would want to let them go to improve and be better to someone who can give them a better camp than I could, it's not personal and we'd also be loyal within friendship with gratitude and appreciation (in fact it might be a better friendship without business involved).

Imagine if this was the case for every fighter, none would progress and imagine how it would be if they were all like "We can't leave this camp now", even if we know the camp isn't really doing them any favours or bringing out their potential.

It's also a living and a career too, they need to be the best to earn the money for their family or themselves to live in general which is another reason why it wouldn't be personal and I would let the fighter go if I wasn't bringing them that full potential.

Also, Kron is talking from a family lineage too, completely different.
 
It's a sport, ya flat earth goof, not WW II.

Didn't the gracies take a japanese martial art, tweaked it, and then made up a tournament, hand picked opponents and later on had no champion?
 
Didnt Cub change his team because his team refused to train him bjj cuz he was fighting a Gracie?
 
This whole commentary about leaving gyms is outdated. Go to where your evolution tells you to go... & that's the end of the conversation.

There's a gym war behind the scenes that reminds me a lot of religious beliefs. Their religion is best & the non-believers shall perish... & we will talk bad against anyone who isn't with us.

Lets get real. Who gives a fook... outside of the gym owner. I get the team camaraderie as well, but if someone's not feeling the team... then just let him move on FFS & don't give him a hard time. Let this outdated philosophy that "you grew up with" but can't justify in any other way than "that's just the way I was brought up" just fade into the past. It's inevitable anyway.

People shouldn't be falling for this BS that if they feel they have to go... then that's a problem. It is not a problem.
 
that kind of thought process is how you trick people into giving you money even if your product isn't as good as the guy across the street
 
With that mindset you would not have jiujitsu in brazil
 
everybody is a traitor
 
I'm steadily walking away from being a fan of Kron. This is just idiotic.
 
“The way I grew up in training and fighting martial arts is basically you have a clan and a team and you’re with your team forever,” Gracie told reporters, including MMA Junkie, at UFC on ESPN+ 19 open workouts.

“If you leave your team you’re [a] traitor. That’s the way I grew up. I have this instilled in me and no matter what’s going on with me or my team, that’s my team. I don’t do get to just pick and choose as I go along with this career, whether it’s jiu-jitsu or whether it’s fighting. In the old times of war you had a clan and you can’t just go, ‘I didn’t like this clan this time. I’m going to go somewhere else.’

“I think in modern-day [times] right now you tell me something like that it’s like, ‘Duh.’ I want to know what gym told him not to,” Gracie continued. I saw him have a photo with a jiu-jitsu gym that was. He didn’t have his jiu-jitsu already set up? He doesn’t have his team set up? He’s been fighting for 15 years and doesn’t have these resources already? It doesn’t make any sense to me that this happened now.”

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2019/10/kron-gracie-criticizes-cub-swansons-gym-loyalty-after-being-shut-out-of-jiu-jitsu-schools

The Gracie family had more in-fighting, less loyalty, more splits, more backstabbing, more family and team divides than an episode of fucking Dallas.

He needs to lay off the fucking weed.
 
I appreciate everything the Gracie's did for bringing MMA to the public but they come across as incredibly arrogant, hypocritical, and petty.
 
A Gracie talking about honor and loyalty...
Oh the irony
 
I feel like the Gracies are having some kind of dumbest name contest every time one of them has a new kid
 
- Kron has his own academy and gets to invite whoever he wants

- "Gracie" is a massive extended system

- He gets to train with veterans like Nate Diaz despite being from different academies because of the Gracie tree

- Cub was 100% right to seek out BJJ specialists to help him prepare for Kron


You guys remember how Palhares leg locked everyone before and after fighting Alan Belcher?

Alan very wisely looked outside his own academy and coaching team to prepare, famously training for weeks with Dean Lister. He was fighting a specialist so he sought out a specialist. This is just a common sense thing to do, and it works.

Alan was a black belt, just like Cub is. Obviously Kron is on a different level, and you need to drill specific situations to be prepared.
 
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