What do American "Nazis" stand for?

[deadshot138]

They don't stand for anything, just seen American History X too much.

 

[RhinoRush]

All men are created equal

Except

We Animal Farm now.

 

[FrontNakedChoke]

The Nazis were anti capitalist, pro social welfare, obsessed with race, totalitarians who favored gun control. Who does that sound like to you?

lmao

 

[RhinoRush]

Jesus that was disturbing..

Do you find BLM marches disturbing too?

How about antifa riots?

This is just a push back against that.

None of this race hustling bullshit should be tolerated, but as long as one side thinks they have the moral high ground to be racists, then the other side will feel justified in replying in kind.

Violence begets violence, hate begets hate. You don't get to be hateful and violent and the turn around and cry when your victims stand up for themselves.

 

[Kitafuji]

They stand for the same things as BLM other than skin color.

 

[ShadowRun]

I wonder if there is crime statics of how many hate crimes or crimes in general are done by white Nazi kkk ppl? I bet it's low. The boogyman aura of KKK is still a good tactic and now will be used for a long time in identify politics

 

[klnOmega]

The Nazis were anti capitalist, pro social welfare, obsessed with race, totalitarians who favored gun control. Who does that sound like to you?

Their entire platform was "Race X has all the privilege and all of your problems are because of them!". They basically wrote the DNC handbook.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

1. I explicitly said that I'm not using the layman definition of socialism which is limited exclusively to IWA/Marxism/Post-Marxism. By that definition, there has never been a socialist country anywhere, so you are en route to the trite "true socialism (aka socialism as it existed in one man's imagination -- a man ) has never been tried!" argument.

2. That's actually a cute interpretation but 1st/2nd/3rd International was just a format for international collaboration. All three were defined by the inability for each nation to agree on anything. The name doesn't reflect an agreement on internationalism vs nationalism, anarchism, property rights, or anything other than a common desire to reel in the new merchant-aristocracies that resulted from early industrialism.

3. Let's skip the Nazi party since you've been conditioned by western talking heads to think calling them socialism is a "cop-out" or "smear against socialism" of some sort (you're confused -- speculative socialism would probably become more popular if it were disassociated from its globalist strain).

Focus on the USSR example, the National Bolshevists. Were they 'disqualified from socialism' by opting for a nationalist version and was the USSR itself later disqualified when it abandoned internationalism under Stalin? None of these groups fall within the umbrella term of socialism? What word would you invent to replace it since socialism in its entirety is confined not only to the imagination of Marx, but to a very narrow, modern interpretation of that imagination?

The answer to the thread's question is very simple. The difference between misc. white nationalist movements and "Nazis" is that the latter prescribe socialist economics to save the west from capitalism. Question the logic of that. Don't try to argue that ethnonationalism and socialism are incompatible based on nothing more than your emotional desire to separate the two.

How I question their logic: They're buying the myth that a healthy market economy somehow requires national suicide via completely ignoring the continent of Asia.

1. It hasn't. The Russian Revolution started as pretty socialist but then Lenin took power from the soviets and became authoritarian.

2. Of course the name itself doesn't reflect agreement on internationalism. Its structure does. The fact that workers movements from throughout Europe met over and over again and decide on collective action is what reflects its internationalist purpose. And the disagreements were overwhelmingly theoretical, tactical and ideological- based. Not nation-based. It was Bakunin and the anarchists vs Marxists, not Russians vs Germans.

3. Let's not. Show me when and where the Nazis were part of these internationals or any other mainstream socialist organizations.

And there are no two political ideas of movements that are "incompatible." If you look close enough, you'll find EVERY sort of combination. White Nationalism and right-wing economic libertarianism are incompatible throughout Europe and everywhere else... but somehow have a strong presence in the US.

I've even seen White Nationalism and communism strains on Stormfront. They believe in workers' ownership, worker management, everything communism stands for... except all this exists in a purely white state.

So yeah, if you look at history, you'll find pretty much any combination possible. You simply have to be honest and decide whether these combinations are large enough to be significant, whether they had enough traction with the mainstream, etc.

Nazi Germany had fairly centrist economic policy, no doubting that. But there's also no doubting that their most bitter enemies were all leftist movements throughout the world.

 

[regmma123]

In a nutshell, 'White Power'. Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Ku Klux Klan, etc., all hate blacks, Jews, Latins, Catholics, Muslims, people who are not physically normal or mentally retarded, homosexuals, etc. The old 'White Anglo-Saxon Protestant' (WASP) mentality. Clean up America. A better, pure breed of American.

like army rejects who work as security guards






And hot dog stand workers

 

[regmma123]

I contracted this chinese exterminator, and had this symbol on his arm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauwastika

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That's because the original symbol was Asian and ment something positive

The Germans stole it and perverted it