What do American "Nazis" stand for?

[Toastytoy]

Lately there has been a lot of calling people "NAZI" around here, and i am wondering, what exactly does that mean in a modern sense? I am from chicago and have never encountered a true white supremacist that i know of. Do the Nazis have a specific set of goals? Do they literally worship Hitler? Or is this just a new blanket term?

 

[AviatorShades]

Usually its an umbrella term to disenfranchise white nationalists. Same as the sloppy usage of the term "supremacy".

However there is an actual national socialist movement which view laissez faire capitalism as the destroyer of western identity. They're probably a little brighter than other radical socialists because historically speaking, most socialist movements quickly abandoned internationalism.

 

[all caps]

The pledge of allegiance and the national anthem

 

[jeffk]

The want someone like Trump but more racist to be in power.

They want to blame Muslims, Jews, BLM, Obama, Hillary, illegal immigrants, communists, ect as the reason why are losers.

They want to pretend their skin color is valuable - that it somehow makes them special and better than others.

 

[RhinoRush]

The Nazis were anti capitalist, pro social welfare, obsessed with race, totalitarians who favored gun control. Who does that sound like to you?

 

[JosephDredd]

Usually its an umbrella term to disenfranchise white nationalists. Same as the sloppy usage of the term "supremacy".

However there is an actual national socialist movement which view laissez faire capitalism as the destroyer of western identity. They're probably a little brighter than other radical socialists because historically speaking, most socialist movements quickly abandoned internationalism.

lol these fucking clowns trying to rebrand Nazis as socialists because people don't like nazis and these fucking clowns don't like socialists.

 

[bushman505]

The Nazis were anti capitalist, pro social welfare, obsessed with race, totalitarians who favored gun control. Who does that sound like to you?

^^^^

 

[JosephDredd]

The Nazis were anti capitalist, pro social welfare, obsessed with race, totalitarians who favored gun control. Who does that sound like to you?

Why are you ignoring their fascist characteristics? That's like if you ignore America's capitalist characteristics America would sound like a communist nation.

smh all these idiots desperately typing on their keyboards to rebrand Nazism. somehow they were the only ones able to spot the fatal flaw in the assessments of every historian and political scholar in the last 50 years. God bless these fools and all their stupid thoughts.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

They had alcoholic and abusive fathers and/or were abused by lots of their moms' boyfriends, and think living in an all white protestant society will repair all of that, but deep down they just have a need to arbitrarily feel superior to something so they don't shoot themselves in the face, or try to force a cop to do it for them.

 

[HeyBrother]

Helping their fellow Americans just as Nazi Germany taught to help Germans who were worse off than them.



I don't think these modern Nazi's have much in common with the old ones. Racism? that's debatable, the idea that Nazi's hated all other races is incorrect. Considering others inferior? sure, but the same can be said about others. You don't think the Jews who boast about their genetic superiority winning so many nobel prizes are any different?

Good propaganda though, I mean I'd want to go to war with a country who hates me..

 

[hillelslovak87]

Hate does not really stand for anything. These are people who were taught to hate jews, blacks, or any other non aryan group by ignorant dipshits who were their parents, uncles and grandfathers.

My grandpa was born in 1910 in arkansas. He said his family never had problems with black people, but the fellow white people he did know that disliked blacks were typically the dumbest and financially worse off people in the town.

 

[AviatorShades]

lol these fucking clowns trying to rebrand Nazis as socialists because people don't like nazis and these fucking clowns don't like socialists.

It's O.K. to disguise your desire to learn with insults.

You likely learned about "socialism" in the Western layman context, where it is used as a synonym for Post-Marxism, but socialism is an umbrella term with Napoleonic (not World War) origins.

When you see the word used beyond the context of Post-Marxism, you probably assume you are talking to paranoid libertarians who consider all non-essential social programs to be gradients of 'socialism'. They are actually closer to correct.

Pertinent to the thread: One of the main rifts in European (and later global) socialism was nationalism vs internationalism (Who/what constitutes the collective?). Examples of nationalist socialism: Nazism/Fascism, some schools of Ba'athism, intra-Soviet factions such as National Bolshevism or the Smenoveknovtsy.

There isn't really anything to re-brand. If you want to understand the stark contrasts between conservative white nationalism and Neo-Nazism then first get over your apparent fear of thinking.

 

[HomerThompson]

Someone really needs to clean this shithole out. Christ.

 

[JosephDredd]

It's O.K. to disguise your desire to learn with insults.

You likely learned about "socialism" in the Western layman context, where it is used as a synonym for Post-Marxism, but socialism is an umbrella term with Napoleonic (not World War) origins.

When you see the word used beyond the context of Post-Marxism, you probably assume you are talking to paranoid libertarians who consider all non-essential social programs to be gradients of 'socialism'. They are actually closer to correct.

Pertinent to the thread: One of the main rifts in European (and later global) socialism was nationalism vs internationalism (Who/what constitutes the collective?). Examples of nationalist socialism: Nazism/Fascism, some schools of Ba'athism, intra-Soviet factions such as National Bolshevism or the Smenoveknovtsy.

There isn't really anything to re-brand. If you want to understand the stark contrasts between conservative white nationalism and Neo-Nazism then first get over your apparent fear of thinking.

No, what's happened is people on the right want to disassociate from Nazis and smear socialists so they overlook the defining characteristics of fascism in the National Socialist Party and instead babble about national socialism. They hope people are stupid enough to believe they've found a flaw in every assessment on Nazis done by historians and political scholars in the last 50 years.

 

[WiolentOne]

The pledge of allegiance and the national anthem

 

[AviatorShades]

No, what's happened is people on the right want to disassociate from Nazis and smear socialists so they overlook the defining characteristics of fascism in the National Socialist Party and instead babble about national socialism. They hope people are stupid enough to believe they've found a flaw in every assessment on Nazis done by historians and political scholars in the last 50 years.

I'm a historian doe

 

[JosephDredd]

I'm a historian doe

I'm sure you are. Educated on the internet. You're probably a political strategist, too.

 

[AviatorShades]

No, what's happened is people on the right want to disassociate from Nazis and smear socialists so they overlook the defining characteristics of fascism in the National Socialist Party and instead babble about national socialism. They hope people are stupid enough to believe they've found a flaw in every assessment on Nazis done by historians and political scholars in the last 50 years.

I forget I can't edit posts with yellow card and need to fit it all into the initial response.

Of course if you're contrasting white nationalists from neo-nazis, the focus is going to be on the socialistic aspect and opposition to capitalism.

Do you have a different answer?

That and the shifting ethnic hostilities unique to WW1/WW2 vs today are the differentiating variables. One prescribes a radical command-economy as a solution to capitalism 'selling out' western nations. The other is merely an anti-immigration lobby.

 

[AviatorShades]

I'm sure you are. Educated on the internet. You're probably a political strategist, too.

50/50: I'm a historian via postgraduate education and a political strategist via the internet

 

[Oedad]

I'm sure you are. Educated on the internet. You're probably a political strategist, too.

Except he's right about most of his points.

In fascism the state is the ultimate object of veneration and the embodiment of the strength and purpose of the people. Nazis believed both capitalism and communism presented an outside threat to the state. Now of course in practice once nazis/facists took power in Italy and Germany they had to compromise with existing economic structures, such as the Krupp family and other German industrialists, but it was only under the condition these people would devote their wealth and industries to fueling Nazi state and eventually the war effort. Ideologically however both Italian fascism and national socialism has an incredible hatred towards internationalism, global trade, and capitalism. If you took the time to look at the writings Mussolini or Hitler speeches anti-capitalism and anti-internationalism was pretty par for the course.

That is a major reason why the Jews became such a easy scapegoat for the Nazi regime. They presented an easily identifiable "outside" influence that Hitler portrayed as a threat to the strength of the "aryan" race and therefore the state. Jews were tied to both Bolshevism and international capitalism through the Nazi propaganda apparatus they were able to dehumanize and vilify the Jewish people as a threat to the integrity of the state.

This is standard curriculum taught in any history course on the early 20th century and fascism in US universities. I'm pretty confident considering I just took 12 credits in fascism and the early 20th century so its not like Nazism being anti-capitalist at its core is a big conspiracy or anything.

Edit: I will say this thou the modern neo-nazi trend is a far cry from the actual Nazis in terms of ideological consistency. They appear almost totally infatuated with the racial ideology and ignore all the ideas about corporatism, economic ideology, and veneration of the state. Modern neo-nazis are more just a loose band of racists who liking the mystique of the Nazi Germany and the SS decided to copy their style, and actually have little education or firm conviction in fascism.