What do American "Nazis" stand for?

[panamaican]

I have no idea what American Nazis stand for because they often are also pro-America. To me, you can only be both if you don't understand either. White supremacists at least ideologically make sense.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

The pledge of allegiance and the national anthem

All men are created equal

Except Nazi shitbags.
They need to gtfo.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Pertinent to the thread: One of the main rifts in European (and later global) socialism was nationalism vs internationalism (Who/what constitutes the collective?). Examples of nationalist socialism: Nazism/Fascism, some schools of Ba'athism, intra-Soviet factions such as National Bolshevism or the Smenoveknovtsy.

Lol at this stupid shit.

Internationalism was a tenet of the socialist movement from the very beginning. This is why their organizations were called "The First International" and "The Second International" and so forth. The major rift was between anarchists and communists.

Please link to where Nazism/Fascism was considered a part of the worker's movement. Link to any sort of workers' conference where they broke away from the main movement. Thanks.

 

[Roaming East]

without reading 3 pages of visual vomit, im pretty sure people call these guys nazi's because a lot of them dress up like, espouse the ideas of, and basically act like...well, nazis....

might be the swastika tattoo's throwing everyone off though. they are really just hardcore Taoist.

 

[hillelslovak87]

1910's Arkansas?

Yeah, there might have been some underlying reasons why he never had problems with black people. Amazing how nice and obedient folks are, under the constant threat of being lynched.

"Back in my day, the blacks were the kindest most polite folks I knew. Always 'Yes Sir', 'No sir', 'Sorry, Sir'. They would even move out of your way on the sidewalk. They were great. I really don't know where the hate came from."

I said that most of the whites did not have problems with the black people, but the ones who did were the shit kickers of the community. He said his parents, immigrants from Scotland and Ireland, told him to judge people by their actions, not by their skin.

 

[Sir Galahad]

Lately there has been a lot of calling people "NAZI" around here, and i am wondering, what exactly does that mean in a modern sense? I am from chicago and have never encountered a true white supremacist that i know of. Do the Nazis have a specific set of goals? Do they literally worship Hitler? Or is this just a new blanket term?

Radical Antifa pussies.

 

[AviatorShades]

Lol at this stupid shit.

Internationalism was a tenet of the socialist movement from the very beginning. This is why their organizations were called "The First International" and "The Second International" and so forth. The major rift was between anarchists and communists.

Please link to where Nazism/Fascism was considered a part of the worker's movement. Link to any sort of workers' conference where they broke away from the main movement. Thanks.

1. I explicitly said that I'm not using the layman definition of socialism which is limited exclusively to IWA/Marxism/Post-Marxism. By that definition, there has never been a socialist country anywhere, so you are en route to the trite "true socialism (aka socialism as it existed in one man's imagination -- a man ) has never been tried!" argument.

2. That's actually a cute interpretation but 1st/2nd/3rd International was just a format for international collaboration. All three were defined by the inability for each nation to agree on anything. The name doesn't reflect an agreement on internationalism vs nationalism, anarchism, property rights, or anything other than a common desire to reel in the new merchant-aristocracies that resulted from early industrialism.

3. Let's skip the Nazi party since you've been conditioned by western talking heads to think calling them socialism is a "cop-out" or "smear against socialism" of some sort (you're confused -- speculative socialism would probably become more popular if it were disassociated from its globalist strain).

Focus on the USSR example, the National Bolshevists. Were they 'disqualified from socialism' by opting for a nationalist version and was the USSR itself later disqualified when it abandoned internationalism under Stalin? None of these groups fall within the umbrella term of socialism? What word would you invent to replace it since socialism in its entirety is confined not only to the imagination of Marx, but to a very narrow, modern interpretation of that imagination?

The answer to the thread's question is very simple. The difference between misc. white nationalist movements and "Nazis" is that the latter prescribe socialist economics to save the west from capitalism. Question the logic of that. Don't try to argue that ethnonationalism and socialism are incompatible based on nothing more than your emotional desire to separate the two.

How I question their logic: They're buying the myth that a healthy market economy somehow requires national suicide via completely ignoring the continent of Asia.

 

[Rhood]

Reverse Affirmative Action

 

[Hoof Hearted]

I posted this in the thread that was deleted. Has some interviews with people at the rally.

 

[CauseImbetta]

It's a slur the left used against people that don't share the same commie ideology. Propoganda.

 

[djacobox372]

The original "Nazi's" weren't as bad as the people that fly the Nazy flag today, as the original flag stood for more than just racism.

Now it's only flown because of it's racist context.

 

[Bnow]

The original "Nazi's" weren't as bad as the people that fly the Nazy flag today, as the original flag stood for more than just racism.

Now it's only flown because of it's racist context.

Genocide concentration camps millions butchered, yep not so bad. Just misunderstood.

 

[RockstarChris]

Nazis are the people that my grandfather parachuted into Germany to kill many years ago and it saddens me to have liberals call me a Nazi for voting for Trump and having American Pride.

 

[SummerStriker]

Except he's right about most of his points.

In fascism the state is the ultimate object of veneration and the embodiment of the strength and purpose of the people. Nazis believed both capitalism and communism presented an outside threat to the state. Now of course in practice once nazis/facists took power in Italy and Germany they had to compromise with existing economic structures, such as the Krupp family and other German industrialists, but it was only under the condition these people would devote their wealth and industries to fueling Nazi state and eventually the war effort. Ideologically however both Italian fascism and national socialism has an incredible hatred towards internationalism, global trade, and capitalism. If you took the time to look at the writings Mussolini or Hitler speeches anti-capitalism and anti-internationalism was pretty par for the course.

That is a major reason why the Jews became such a easy scapegoat for the Nazi regime. They presented an easily identifiable "outside" influence that Hitler portrayed as a threat to the strength of the "aryan" race and therefore the state. Jews were tied to both Bolshevism and international capitalism through the Nazi propaganda apparatus they were able to dehumanize and vilify the Jewish people as a threat to the integrity of the state.

This is standard curriculum taught in any history course on the early 20th century and fascism in US universities. I'm pretty confident considering I just took 12 credits in fascism and the early 20th century so its not like Nazism being anti-capitalist at its core is a big conspiracy or anything.

Edit: I will say this thou the modern neo-nazi trend is a far cry from the actual Nazis in terms of ideological consistency. They appear almost totally infatuated with the racial ideology and ignore all the ideas about corporatism, economic ideology, and veneration of the state. Modern neo-nazis are more just a loose band of racists who liking the mystique of the Nazi Germany and the SS decided to copy their style, and actually have little education or firm conviction in fascism.

They will venerate the state when they get their own guy in there.

 

[jimbob27]

Genocide concentration camps millions butchered, yep not so bad. Just misunderstood.

In the 1930s the flag mostly stood for Make Germany Great Again. Most of the atrocities were hidden from public view because the people in charge knew the public wouldn't support that shit. Obviously many were actually evil, but the majority were normal people cucked by nationalist propaganda.

 

[Bnow]

In the 1930s the flag mostly stood for Make Germany Great Again. Most of the atrocities were hidden from public view because the people in charge knew the public wouldn't support that shit. Obviously many were actually evil, but the majority were normal people cucked by nationalist propaganda.

No they weren't, they openly knew what was being done to the jew's.

Everyday germans didn't give a fuck, as long as jew's disappeared with no fuss.

 

[Kframe]

1910's Arkansas?

Yeah, there might have been some underlying reasons why he never had problems with black people. Amazing how nice and obedient folks are, under the constant threat of being lynched.

"Back in my day, the blacks were the kindest most polite folks I knew. Always 'Yes Sir', 'No sir', 'Sorry, Sir'. They would even move out of your way on the sidewalk. They were great. I really don't know where the hate came from."

Way to read negative into his positive post..

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

Nazis are the people that my grandfather parachuted into Germany to kill many years ago and it saddens me to have liberals call me a Nazi for voting for Trump and having American Pride.

Were those liberals sporting nazi gear and saluting? Source?

Not every conservative is a nazi, of course. In fact hardly any deserve that association. But you ARE on the same "side" right now and that has never been more clear. What do you guys not get? Focusing on the libby lefties, trannies, and antifa as the only problem while you are allied with the KKK and nazi worshippers and sharing some of their ideology. Your grandpa would be very proud. Your orange God is defending them so you have to do the same, is that it? They are wearing their nazi Halloween costumes, beating people and murdering them....blame liberalism in general! Call more people cucks and SJW on the internet and everything will be OK.

 

[fdswer]

The Nazis were anti capitalist, pro social welfare, obsessed with race, totalitarians who favored gun control. Who does that sound like to you?

 

[Kframe]

I posted this in the thread that was deleted. Has some interviews with people at the rally.

Jesus that was disturbing..