whaaaa! I'm a 70 yr old woman child, and refuse to go away - Clinton

VivaRevolution said:
This would be more of a legit point if she didn't lose to a orange circus clown.

I mean you lose to Romney or McCain, and your point holds some merit.

You lose to Donald trump, then something has gone terribly wrong within the DNC.
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Dude, she lost by like 10,000 votes in Michigan.

The real problem was the polling and hubris. They believed the polls. They had Hillary campaigning in Texas when she should have been in Wisconsin and Michigan.

This defeat had more to do with strategy than message.

Also, she made a terrible choice for a Vice President.

Tim Kaine didn't do dick for her. She should have went with Warren.
 
Rational Poster said:
Dude, she lost by like 10,000 votes in Michigan.

The real problem was the polling and hubris. They believed the polls. They had Hillary campaigning in Texas when she should have been in Wisconsin and Michigan.

This defeat had more to do with strategy than message.

Also, she made a terrible choice for a Vice President.

Tim Kaine didn't do dick for her. She should have went with Warren.
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Not sure that Kaine didn't help her. She won Virginia as a Democrat, so that's not nothing.
 
Rational Poster said:
Dude, she lost by like 10,000 votes in Michigan.

The real problem was the polling and hubris. They believed the polls. They had Hillary campaigning in Texas when she should have been in Wisconsin and Michigan.

This defeat had more to do with strategy than message.
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Another piece of evidence that not only is Clinton far from a gifted politician, her judgement is suspect as hell, from e-mails, to lybia, to the campaign, to DWS, to iraq, she does not seem like a competent person.

She does seem to have an abundance of hubris, which makes her very unlikable.

I was screaming this throughout the primary. From the FBI investigation, to her negative polling, the hubris was obviously not limited to Clinton, but also the DNC superdelegates who did not protect the party from a weak nominee, which is why they exist in the first place.

By all rights they should have flipped during convention. It was their duty to protect the party from a weak candidate, not an Independent.
 
sub_thug said:
Not sure that Kaine didn't help her. She won Virginia as a Democrat, so that's not nothing.
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Obama won it two elections with a greater margin.

Tim Kaine could have campaigned for her in his state without being the VP.

Warren is someone much more well known publicly and someone that is more attractive to Bernie Bros.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Another piece of evidence that not only is Clinton far from a gifted politician, her judgement is suspect as hell, from e-mails, to lybia, to the campaign, to DWS, she does not seem like a competent person.

She does seem to have an abundance of hubris, which makes her very unlikable.

I was screaming this throughout the primary. From the FBI investigation, to her negative polling, the hubris was obviously not limited to Clinton, but also the DNC superdelegates who did not protect the party from a weak nominee, which is why they exist in the first place.

By all rights they should have flipped during convention. It was their duty to protect the party from a weak candidate, not an Independent.
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Bernie would have gotten blown out in the general.

They made the right choice.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Bernie would have dominated the rust belt.
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And lost many other places, by greater margins, and different places that Hillary won.

The idea that you could just swap Hillary with Bernie and he'd carry the same states exactly as she did + carry the Rust Belt is a fucking fantasy.
 
VivaRevolution said:
You act like Clinton turned out some demographic that Bernie wouldn't have.

The opposite is true.
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The idea that you could just swap Hillary with Bernie and he'd carry the same states exactly as she did + carry the Rust Belt is a fucking fantasy.

Bernie is a socialist. There are many right leaning independents and centrists that voted for Hillary that wouldn't even consider Bernie because of that.

The ideas of social democracy only appeals to a very small portion of Americans. If you're being generous you're talking about maybe 33-50% of actively voting democrats and a smidgen of the independents.
 
Rational Poster said:
Bernie would have gotten blown out in the general.

They made the right choice.
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I saw polls that said bernie could beat trump

And no they made the wrong choice as evidenced by the fact that they lost. To Donald Trump

VivaRevolution said:
Bernie would have dominated the rust belt.
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Yea he did well in the states she needed.
 
Rational Poster said:
The idea that you could just swap Hillary with Bernie and he'd carry the same states exactly as she did + carry the Rust Belt is a fucking fantasy.

Bernie is a socialist. There are many right leaning independents and centrists that voted for Hillary that wouldn't even consider Bernie because of that.
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Not really. She basically only won blue states. The fact that she lost the rust belt for the first time in a generation, speaks to what a terrible candidate she was.
 
Seraldo Babalu said:
The system is corrupt, baby boomers have fucked our country beyond repair (just look at their leadership: Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump), and the U.S. is too big with competing interests to be represented by a single executive. We need to take a serious look at the Constitution and make some changes.

Term limits on all elected officials
Term limits for Supreme Court justices
Parliamentary leadership instead of a single executive
Repeal the 19th Amendment
NO foreign aid
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I think their should be both term and age limits on Sup Ct justices. 16 years / 80 years whatever comes first.
 
Gutter Chris said:
All Hillary needed to win was the rust belt and bernie delivers that. Was cali and new york gonna go trump ?
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Sorry, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Maine all become vulnerable with Bernie as candidate.
 
Jim Bob said:
The ends justify the means, their mantra. It doesn't matter how you get there, as long as you get there. Bernie got the shaft....from Hillary and DWShultz. Would I expect any different from Hillary? Not in a New York minute. She will lie, cheat, and steal any chance she gets. And not necessarily in that order. What kind of integrity do you have if you vote for a piece of SHIT like that? I ask that question to every stinkin' American who voted for her! Nobody said Trump is perfect, but he is way ahead of whomever is in 2nd place.
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Hm, this is a very interesting observation and question. I wonder how people will answer it?
 
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