TUF Tate VS Rousey EPISODE 4 DISCUSSION

Warned about grabbing the cage three times(!!) and they still don't do anything about it.

The fight seemed amateur'ish and glad it was over.

I'm not sure if Ronda (and the main coach) are playing up to the cameras but man it was fucking funny when Hallman called him out and he went and hid in the corner.
 
Hope to see Rakoczy get smashed in her next fight for grabbing the fence so many times. Can't stand refs that don't take control of the fight and let shit like that continue to happen.
 
@ppl saying this was the most crying on TUF...

Have you even SEEN previous seasons?

"Let me bang bro" alone has more crying in 5 minutes than this entire season combined to date.

TUF Brazil gets honorary mention as well. Win or lose, virtually every fighter broke down in tears after the fight that season.

Which makes me think half of the people talking out of their asses in this thread must have crawled out from under a rock to see TUF 18.
 
Roxy needs to learn to fight at her pace. She doesn't have the gas tank to go 100% all the time. She fights like Sakuraba but isn't as calculating as he is.
 
While fitness is a problem for Roxy (both in cardio and in functional strength), she looked like shit on the ground too. Terrible posture on top, terrible base, if Rakoczy was a competent grappler at all she should've swept Roxy every time she managed to get on top. The fight only went on as long as it did because Rakoczy is pretty bad herself.

If Roxy lifted weights or did more cardio (or did both), I think she could've finished one of those armbars because Jessica kept pulling her arm out in the dumbest way possible.


Armchair warriors ftw
 
Hope to see Rakoczy get smashed in her next fight for grabbing the fence so many times. Can't stand refs that don't take control of the fight and let shit like that continue to happen.

The ref made up for it by waiting until Roxy was almost comatose and brain dead before stopping the fight.
 
I like Roxanne but she is too damn slow. She needs to retire. She has more opportunities waiting for her in Japan than most of the TUF contestants.
 
horrible ref, horrible ground game (they both looked like two drunk high schooler's rolling on the ground).
 
Watching some of the older women veterans i'm getting the impression most aren't especially good athletes. They have ground skills they've learned but the younger girls look faster and stronger and more coordinated. Jessica came from a boxing background and though she's even older, she looked very fluid on her feet.

Roxy looks like a great person though. I wanted to hug her every time they showed her on screen.

yeah it seems like the vets, pioneers were just regular women who competed in mma; not particularly good athletes, in larosa's...baszler...and modefarri's fights they were clearly dominated physically. Each fighter was out muscled..out hustled and physically beat up; the vets had the skill to win rounds, but seem to lack the stamina and physical durablity to win a second round or work through tough spots.

they are like the early male ufc guys, alot of one dimensional specialist who are much more fighters than athletes; none of the vets showed alot of topnotch wrestling, none of them seemed as big physically.

the talent pool is much deeper now, and you have girls who were very high level h/s and juco and college athletes...who are now fighting, it's similar to why ronda cyborg keep smashing these chicks. They are just much more physically gifted/dominant athletes; on top of having and refining legitimate fighting skills...

it shows the gap between the old school and the new..
 
just for the note, ronda's coach called another excellent gameplan, jessica took a minute to put it into action; but she had hug advantages in regards to technical skills on the feet, not just the legitimate punching/kicking (slipping-countering-attacking-defending). But in gauging range, managing range, footwork, positioning; she also had huge physical adv in regards to hand/footspeed, reaction times, strength, power, explosiveness; the whole plan was pot shot, singular/accurate shots, which would land clean and w/power.

This allows you to land big shots, w/out opening yourself up for the takedown (clinch/shot); it allows you to land big, get out and get position to land another big shot and force your opponent to reset before they can effectively defend or attack.

jessica could have done it earlier if she would have stayed on her toes, pivoted instead of backing up; then she could have kept turning roxy and walked her into shots instead of getting put up against the fence and dragged down.

the second rd she got it right, but roxy was dead on her feet; an the min jessica touched her it was over. Most people have never sparred a very good amateur or pro boxer; much less a world champ, even a person who isn't a big hitter..hits way harder than the avg person and mma fighter. That isn't even taking into account the huge tech gap in punching technique (rotation, timing, placement); jessica could have killed her, she essentially hit her like time and roxy was DONE... That girl was finished after that slam and left hook..fight should have been stopped then.

sidenote-i have sparred golden glove champs-national-world champs (and they were going easy on me) and they were so f**king face and beat me the f*ck up going very very easy. Can't imagine taking those kind of shots from a pro boxer/champ who is trying to put you out...cus i got dropped by sh*t alot lighter than that w/less intent..
 
yup. I'm working on it.
I kept yelling HEAD MOVEMENT HEAD MOVEMENT at the screen. FOOTWORK!

Admittedly I have no idea what any of this means. It just spontaneously erupted fom my mouth while I jumped up and down in my living room.
 
yeah it seems like the vets, pioneers were just regular women who competed in mma; not particularly good athletes, in larosa's...baszler...and modefarri's fights they were clearly dominated physically. Each fighter was out muscled..out hustled and physically beat up; the vets had the skill to win rounds, but seem to lack the stamina and physical durablity to win a second round or work through tough spots.

they are like the early male ufc guys, alot of one dimensional specialist who are much more fighters than athletes; none of the vets showed alot of topnotch wrestling, none of them seemed as big physically.

the talent pool is much deeper now, and you have girls who were very high level h/s and juco and college athletes...who are now fighting, it's similar to why ronda cyborg keep smashing these chicks. They are just much more physically gifted/dominant athletes; on top of having and refining legitimate fighting skills...

it shows the gap between the old school and the new..

Great points. People never really took WMMA seriously and the majority of women fighters do not train full time like most male MMA fighter do. Just about all of the women on the show have a job on the side; professor, waitress, medical student, etc. For established male MMA fighters, they get enough money sponsors so they don't need to work and all they do is train. Sponsors and money for women fighters is just not there yet. Also, how many gyms/training centers really took female fighters seriously since it wasn't really an established organization? Once WMMA is more established, I think you'll see a lot more talented female fighters coming up through the ranks, if they get to train like the men do.
 
I think Roxanne has a genuinely great personality, and her positivity shines through the screen, but holy hell her techniques were terrible.

From the second she initiated with strikes I saw how bad her stand-up was. I thought she would do better on the ground but her positioning- holding her weight etc, just terrible. She was in half-guard with a woman who had no ground game, and got reversed.

Then we knew it was over before the second round started. You could just see it form Roxanne's face when she was on the stool. She was already out of it.

She still showed heart, and she was actually halfway through taking Jessica down, but Jessica grabbed the cage. I though the ref should have taken a point there.

By then Roxanne was just too tired to even get back on her feet.

The conditioning was just too far apart. Jessica showed the best boxing I've ever seen from a woman in mma. Well, that's expected since she's a multiple boxing champ.

But her condition showed as well. Just miles ahead of Roxanne. I was shocked after I realized she's 36. Holy shit. she looked 26.

She hit Roxanne with some sick shots.
 
im not even half way with the epi right now

but ronda is so fake, its exhausting to watch
 
just finished the fight, really liked both girls heading into the fight
i was spoiled the fight result on fb last night but this was a good fight from both of them

rox was hurt badly from that slam
 
Awful fight. Roxy was gassed after the 1st round and her standup is atrocious.

This will not gain women's MMA any fans.

I have to say, though, I have a lot of respect for Roxanne and she seems like a genuinely wonderful person. Someone in another thread said she'd make for a really good personal trainer or coach. I agree. That kind of positivity is both motivating and infectious.
 
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