The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Mahatma Gandhi

Bloodworth said:
Have you ever been hungry?
Factory farming is a horrible practice, but there are lots of mouths to feed.
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The “real” issue is pricing, we won’t face famine if we force big business to not melt the beaks off of chickens, it’s just going to make it more expensive to eat chicken since they will need bigger spaces to prevent their chickens from murdering each other

Plus even if we have a shortage we can always import food from other countries
 
"Oh yeah, suck it"

-Ghandi to all the 9 year olds he was plowing
 
Prefect said:
The quote implies that the treatment of animals correlates with how people treat each other. What i am saying is that Ghandi had no issues with the poor treatment of africans.
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I didint get that from the quote. I took it as if you see a culture who murders animals for fun and festivities and not food then you know how to judge their greatness.

Civilizations that light bulls on fire until they commit suicide should be judged accordingly.

If ghnadi had no issues with poor African treatment , from his quote he might have believed Africans kill animals for fun and judged them through that?
 
Prefect said:
The quote implies that the treatment of animals correlates with how people treat each other. What i am saying is that Ghandi had no issues with the poor treatment of africans.
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He had issues with it. Just because his initial impressions of Africans weren't good, doesn't mean that he didn't have a problem with how they were treated.

However, it is disputed whether this quote about animals was ever said at all by Gandhi, so it's a meaningless debate anyway.
 
Black Helicopters said:
The “real” issue is pricing, we won’t face famine if we force big business to not melt the beaks off of chickens, it’s just going to make it more expensive to eat chicken since they will need bigger spaces to prevent their chickens from murdering each other

Plus even if we have a shortage we can always import food from other countries
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Not as easy as it sounds.
 
TheGreatA said:
He had issues with it. Just because his initial impressions of Africans weren't good, doesn't mean that he didn't have a problem with how they were treated.

However, it is disputed whether this quote about animals was ever said at all by Gandhi, so it's a meaningless debate anyway.
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Nope, there was no empathy. So much so, he was insulted to have to use the same entrance at a post office in South Africa.

* One of the first battles Gandhi fought after coming to South Africa was over the separate entrances for whites and blacks at the Durban post office. Gandhi objected that Indians were “classed with the natives of South Africa,” who he called the kaffirs, and demanded a separate entrance for Indians.
 
ultramanhyata said:
He only shared a bed with kids. He never touched them. He was like Michael Jackson.
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I thought the whole idea was to demonstrate to other people that he was incorruptible and capable of self-control.

It seems weird by modern standards obviously, but considering how rapey India is today, you can only imagine what it was about 70-80 years ago. Having a public figure demonstrate that it's possible for men to co-exist with girls and women without wanting to sexually molest them, wasn't a bad thing.
 
Prefect said:
Nope, there was no empathy. So much so, he was insulted to have to use the same entrance at a post office in South Africa.

* One of the first battles Gandhi fought after coming to South Africa was over the separate entrances for whites and blacks at the Durban post office. Gandhi objected that Indians were “classed with the natives of South Africa,” who he called the kaffirs, and demanded a separate entrance for Indians.
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Gandhi acknowledged fully that he was an uppity snobbish British Indian in his younger days, superficial, well-dressed and mostly concerned about his own discrimination at the hands of British. He changed a lot from the guy he was in 1900-1910, to the Gandhi that is generally known for his universal ideas.

https://thewire.in/history/gandhi-and-africans

There's a reason he started dressing up like a beggar, because he no longer wanted to associate himself as the man he was.
 
TheGreatA said:
Having a public figure demonstrate that it's possible for men to co-exist with girls and women without wanting to sexually molest them, wasn't a bad thing.
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Yes. Parents should be jumping at the chance to let their young daughters spend the night in a trustworthy, naked old man's bed. As it sends an important message to society about morality and self-control.
 
ultramanhyata said:
Yes. Parents should be jumping at the chance to let their young daughters spend the night in a trustworthy, naked old man's bed. As it sends an important message to society about morality and self-control.
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Sure as hell is a better alternative than sending them over to get raped by an old man, as is quite common in that region of the world.

I just have to laugh at people who think that their moral sense in a fluffy Western society is better, compared to men who lived in 19th century South Africa and India. You think those countries are bad now? Think of how bad they were 100 years ago.

For his time, within the sphere that he operated in, Gandhi was about as good as it gets. People can nit-pick the questionable parts about their life, sure, but it's ludicrous for people to act as if they would've been any better.
 
Bull fighting and kosher/halal slaughtering should be banned
 
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