Crushing cans and freak show fights in an org that doesn't even test for PED's makes Fedor a non-contender for HW GOAT. Sorry everyone swinging from PRIDE's nuts, but that org was a complete joke in retrospect. Fun to watch, but ultimately sits somewhere between the UFC and WWE in legitimacy.
Stipe has a chinny Overeem, a green as fk ngannou, a shot JDS and a werdum that didn't even think he was a threat.
And all of them would beat a green cro cop, Heath herring, and nog (probably by decision)
Those fights never happened so neither of us can win that argument. I don't know exactly what you're debating here either. You can't seriously be saying Stipe is the mma hw goat?
I am saying his resume is more impressive than anyone else. Nog doesn't have the power or takedowns to win against Cain, jds, Werdum. Heath herring would get demolished by all three. Cro cop was too green at that time.
Wow, so if he beats a fat MW he will have a total of 4 defenses, wow!!!
The HW division is weak and having the UFC record in title defenses is not something you should brag about because it's not impressive. Miocic is a great HW but I don't feel that him beating DC who is a fat MW (but still a great HW because HW is so poor) puts him closer to being the UFC HW GOAT. If Miocic beats a game Cain, then I'm all in for calling Miocic that best UFC HW ever.
Fedor: prime big nog x 2, prime Cro Cop,prime Arlovski,out of shapes Sylvia,40 years old past prime Coleman,past prime Randleman.
I looked at Fedor's career very closely. To determine how many legit top competition wins he has, I looked at the record of how the people did after fighting Fedor. I did this to weed out fights such as you mentioned where Coleman was all ready finished when they fought... so Fedor gets no GOAT points for those wins. Here's what I came up with.
Fedor = 8 - Arona, Sobrol, Big Nog (Twice) , Cro Cop, Hunt, Arlovski, & Monson
Stipe = 6 - He gets GOAT points for the last 6 people he beat. 7 if he beats DC... so he's getting there... but he's gonna need a couple more quality wins to pass Fedor.