Robert García on why Mexican greats hate on Canelo

[JuanLeche]

Plenty of people from Jalisco have light skin/hair. Mexicans hate seeing other Mexicans do better than them, that crab mentality

 

[goldennirvana]

yes, of course he is white and is recognized as such by both mexicans and americans.

He's recognised as 'Mexican', not 'white'. I haven't seen Mexicans calling him white, and only a few Americans saying he is.

Does he look indigenous to you?

No, he's mixed. Overwhelmingly European ancestry, obviously. The rest of his family looks a little bit darker, but it's obvious they're at least 85% European in genetics. I don't think they'd be passing any Aryan tests, anyway.

What does that make every other american white person who claims their great grandparent was a full blooded indian? you wouldnt say that if he was american or from europe. This is just more racializing of latinos, and sounds to me like white guilt.

Well, Latinos racialise themselves. Ever heard of 'La Raza'?

 

[Bogotazo]

Race isn't a proper fixed category and phenotype is a poor indicator for underlying genetics. Nationality matters more than race in Latin America for the most part.

 

[Marc A]

Don't think that's correct.

Chavez was WBC champion at 22.
Salvador Sanchez was champion at 21.
Barrera was champion at 21.
Morales was 21.



Ruben Castillo and Roger Mayweather aren't worse than Lara, Trout, Cintron, and shot to shit Mosley. Castillo had a close fight with ATG Arguello and Mayweather was a better champion than the other names you mentioned.



Barrera didn't at that point but Morales did with wins over Zaragoza and Junior Jones.



I respect that, I'm not trying to hate on Canelo, I just think his youth is overemphasized. People act like he's achieved more than fighters past at an earlier age and it's just not true. He's got a solid resume thus far, but it's not historically exceptional at his age. And at 26 he's not going to improve a ton either.

Fair enough Canelo won at 20 , but the rest of valid , he still needs a lot to reach any of the above names in terms of atg for Mexico

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

He's recognised as 'Mexican', not 'white'. I haven't seen Mexicans calling him white, and only a few Americans saying he is.



No, he's mixed. Overwhelmingly European ancestry, obviously. The rest of his family looks a little bit darker, but it's obvious they're at least 85% European in genetics. I don't think they'd be passing any Aryan tests, anyway.



Well, Latinos racialise themselves. Ever heard of 'La Raza'?

Lol You talk as if being Mexican and white are mutually exclusive. Mexicans do talk about Canelo being a white man, for example NaughtyBoy in this thread.

Mexican isnt a race and latinos are aware they are a cultural group made up of many different races. I'm a fan of a couple mexican mma fighters and they were constantly being called "guera" affectionately to denote their whiteness . Look at this article which refers to Canelo the same way:http://www.zonadeboxeo.com/noticias...varez-el-carisma-de-un-gueero-en-suelo-azteca
In the mosely or mayweather promo, Canelo talked about fighting bullies because of his appearance. This was in a majority mestizo country so Canelo obviously isnt considered mixed.so its not as if Mexicans are unaware Canelo is white, they just choose not to make an issue of it because they care more about national identity. Ask Rod1 who is mexican.

LA Raza was a chicano movement centered around an indigenous identity. There is a difference between a latino, which is an ethnic group, having a separate identity based on their indigenous/mestizo race and saying that ethnic group is a race in itself. Its kind of like saying because the black panthers racialized themselves around a black identity, that english speakers are one homogeneous racial group. Forgive me if thats not what you are saying.

I have to wonder if someone was 85%+ black whether you would consider them not really black. If you are consistent with your qualification of whiteness with Canelo, that would exclude a great deal of african americans from being black.

Nordicist or White Nationalist qualifications for the "aryan" race that you have referenced are by their nature kind of racist, inaccurate, and not reflective of most people's views so I question why you use them. Anyway, lots of people talk about how he looks. including spanish speaking social media. When they do, like max kellerman, they say he looks irish or guerro.In other words white. His whole visual appeal is being a white, red headed mexican.

 

[KantoTerror]

Canelo was in an Era of boxing where being a champ means millions. these past great fighters we're wishing they can make 6 figures per fight back then. He's cashing in while they were not.

 

[armbarforhire]

Don't think that's correct.

Chavez was WBC champion at 22.
Salvador Sanchez was champion at 21.
Barrera was champion at 21.
Morales was 21.



Ruben Castillo and Roger Mayweather aren't worse than Lara, Trout, Cintron, and shot to shit Mosley. Castillo had a close fight with ATG Arguello and Mayweather was a better champion than the other names you mentioned.



Barrera didn't at that point but Morales did with wins over Zaragoza and Junior Jones.



I respect that, I'm not trying to hate on Canelo, I just think his youth is overemphasized. People act like he's achieved more than fighters past at an earlier age and it's just not true. He's got a solid resume thus far, but it's not historically exceptional at his age. And at 26 he's not going to improve a ton either.

Also Chavez beating of "Azabache" Martinez to win his first tittle is a legendary fight in Mexico , much more than victories over guys that are mentioned as important in the international scene like Laporte and Lockridge.



Canelo won the title beating Hatton's brother and then defended against no names for the first couple of fights .

 

[The Moloko man]

Let's be real... a reason why many mexicans don't like Canelo, is probably because of his skin color

He resembles a White irishman more so than a brown mexican, he doesn't have the physical image of a "Mexican"

maybe its not the sole reason, but it plays a big role

just brutal honesty

That was for being too American, which Canelo hardly is. Canelo represents Mexico as much as he possibly can. I remember him screaming out 'Viva Mexico' at the top of his lungs after being interviewed by Larry Merchant and Merchant didn't look impressed.

As far as I can see, Canelo is loved by the overwhelming majority of Mexicans. He's not even white, really.

Well mexicans and hispanics are white......so the point is moot

 

[Bogotazo]

Also Chavez beating of "Azabache" Martinez to win his first tittle is a legendary fight in Mexico , much more than victories over guys that are mentioned as important in the international scene like Laporte and Lockridge.



Canelo won the title beating Hatton's brother and then defended against no names for the first couple of fights .

Don't think I've seen that fight, I think I'll check it out. Thanks for the bit of history.

Well mexicans and hispanics are white......so the point is moot

Lol no.

Race is a fluid concept that changes depending on time and place, but Latinos in general are not considered "white" because of their Native American and African ancestry. I've heard Brits say these kinds of things because they don't have many Hispanics, but it's silly. Nobody is going to mistake Ricardo Mayorga, Mikey Garcia, or Fernando Vargas for a native white European.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Don't think I've seen that fight, I think I'll check it out. Thanks for the bit of history.



Lol no.

Race is a fluid concept that changes depending on time and place, but Latinos in general are not considered "white" because of their Native American and African ancestry. I've heard Brits say these kinds of things because they don't have many Hispanics, but it's silly. Nobody is going to mistake Ricardo Mayorga, Mikey Garcia, or Fernando Vargas for a native white European.

you're both off base imo. yeah I agree that mexicans are generally part native, but the term hispanic includes spaniards, while latino includes countries that have majority white countries like argentina,uraguay and brazil. What ever people generally consider latinos racially is not accurate because it is simply not a race. Americans just think hispanics don't include white people because most of them in the us are mexican american.

 

[goldennirvana]

Well mexicans and hispanics are white......so the point is moot

If you think mestizos (which is what the vast majority of hispanics are) are white, then there's something a bit wrong with you.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Let's be real... a reason why many mexicans don't like Canelo, is probably because of his skin color

He resembles a White irishman more so than a brown mexican, he doesn't have the physical image of a "Mexican"

maybe its not the sole reason, but it plays a big role

just brutal honesty

It might come as a shock to you but Mexico and even further south of the border is just as racially diverse as America. Like others have said have you glanced at any Mexican tv shows? It's filled with honkeys and no ones rioting over it.

 

[The bad boy]

Well mexicans and hispanics are white......so the point is moot

 

[Bogotazo]

you're both off base imo. yeah I agree that mexicans are generally part native, but the term hispanic includes spaniards, while latino includes countries that have majority white countries like argentina,uraguay and brazil. What ever people generally consider latinos racially is not accurate because it is simply not a race. Americans just think hispanics don't include white people because most of them in the us are mexican american.

True, hispanic does include Spaniards so it includes white people, good point. But all the same you can't categorically say hispanics are white.

Nothing is a race, really. It's a made-up concept. Phenotype is a poor indicator of underlying genetics and there is more diversity within "races" than between them. Africa is the most diverse continent yet because they're all "black" in skin color we'd call them all the same race. It's silly.

 

[The Moloko man]

Don't think I've seen that fight, I think I'll check it out. Thanks for the bit of history.



Lol no.

Race is a fluid concept that changes depending on time and place, but Latinos in general are not considered "white" because of their Native American and African ancestry. I've heard Brits say these kinds of things because they don't have many Hispanics, but it's silly. Nobody is going to mistake Ricardo Mayorga, Mikey Garcia, or Fernando Vargas for a native white European.

Lol at lumping african ancestry in there to end the arguement.....how much and what percentage of hispanic/latinos have african ancestry?....im waiting
Do you consider ronda rousey black?

Mestizos are are sub ethnic/racial group of the white race

If you think mestizos (which is what the vast majority of hispanics are) are white, then there's something a bit wrong with you.

True, hispanic does include Spaniards so it includes white people, good point. But all the same you can't categorically say hispanics are white.

Nothing is a race, really. It's a made-up concept. Phenotype is a poor indicator of underlying genetics and there is more diversity within "races" than between them. Africa is the most diverse continent yet because they're all "black" in skin color we'd call them all the same race. It's silly.

You're misusing the context of that.
Africans are the most "genectically" diverse....bit about of a difference
After that they are all part of the negroid race

Mestizos are sub group offshoot of the white race....most of them are white.......im going off of physiological standards

Races are real....its painfully obvious

 

[goldennirvana]

Lol at lumping african ancestry in there to end the arguement.....how much and what percentage of hispanic/latinos have african ancestry?....im waiting
Do you consider ronda rousey black?

Mestizos are are sub ethnic/racial group of the white race

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You're misusing the context of that.
Africans are the most "genectically" diverse....bit about of a difference
After that they are all part of the negroid race

Mestizos are sub group offshoot of the white race....most of them are white.......im going off of physiological standards

Races are real....its painfully obvious

LOL all that proves is how laughable crime statistics are. Your only evidence is that US crime statistics say hispanics are white, therefore they are? Those little brown people aren't white, dude.

Why are mestizos a "sub group offshoot of the white race" and not a "sub group offshoot" of the Amerindian race? Do you even know what 'mestizo' means? Duhh.

Please stop posting. You are embarrassingly stupid.

 

[UL]

Bloody hell

Since Elie got kicked out of the wildcard, he has been with robert ever since, now even goes with him on car journeys

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Bloody hell

Since Elie got kicked out of the wildcard, he has been with robert ever since, now even goes with him on car journeys

Why did he get kicked out?

 

[UL]

Why did he get kicked out?

 

[Bogotazo]

Lol at lumping african ancestry in there to end the arguement.....how much and what percentage of hispanic/latinos have african ancestry?....im waiting

That fact alone isn't what "ended" the argument. But to answer your question, quite a few have African Ancestry. Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Colombians, Cubans, Ecuadorians, Venezuelans, and Brazilians all have heavy African cultural and genetic influence.

Do you consider ronda rousey black?

No, because the rules of being black today exclude her. But 80 years ago, if she were Irish, she wouldn't be considered white.

Mestizos are are sub ethnic/racial group of the white race

Says who? What is the scientific basis for lumping them together? What is the "white race"? What underlying genetic components do all white people share?

(Rhetorical question, because the answer is that there is no basis for such a classification. As I said, phenotype is a poor indicator for underlying genetics.)

You're misusing the context of that.
Africans are the most "genectically" diverse....bit about of a difference
After that they are all part of the negroid race

Modern anthropology and geneology totally rejects the concept of a "negroid race". Because race has no underlying biological component. These fixed categories don't exist. I'm not misusing the context, I'm showing exactly why skin color as a proxy for genetic sameness is scientifically inaccurate. People who you would categorize as one single "race" with the same skin color are more different to each other than they are to people of a different skin color that you would call a totally different race.

Mestizos are sub group offshoot of the white race....most of them are white.......im going off of physiological standards

Races are real....its painfully obvious

No you're not, you're making up categories and subcategories based on phenotype (appearance) that have no basis in underlying genetic sameness. The fact that you rely on the most "obvious" logic shows you lack a deeper understanding of the human species and rely on BS folk wisdom parroted by the ignorant.