Out of 42 top economists, only 1 believes that Trump's tax policy will improve the economy

Madmick said:
Look, the first broseph to show up didn't even read the survey before impugning it.

#MAGA one moron at a time.
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Trumpstitutes will squeeze in as many dicks as they need to in order to not admit their man is an embarrassment.
 
DickSarp said:
The Trump Bump:

remove inheritance tax

remove governmental oversight of business malpractice

remove pollution regulatory enforcement

ask, "why isn't bribery legal for foreign investment?" and act on it

Do we have to go on?

You get a tax cut next year but you lose Medicare, Medicaid, and we're working on cutting the balls off of Social Security.

Next on the docket? legalize child labor and indentured servitude, sell off any remaining protected wild areas, kill OT pay, remove national holidays and on and on until we get into that comfort zone of uneducated working stiffs with no prospect or hope for a decent life or retirement yet no perceivable alternatives for survival.

Now that's MAGA!
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Soooooooooooooooooo....


I am going out on a limb and guess you aren't a fan of the tax plan... yes?...
 
Lowering my taxes will help my economy
 
Trotsky said:
None

Besides that, what's your opinion?
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Truthfully, I can't speak with too much depth on the subject.


The only thing I can really say, is my wife is an accountant, and I had her look at the plan. She looked through it and confirmed it would benefit us.
 
And vox? Good grief
 
Remember the outrage over that black guy running up deficits?

That was funny.
 
Oedad said:
@Madmick or @panamaican what is the difference between this tax plan and a tax plan that would have been proposed under a Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio presidencies? I imagine since legislation is written by Congress, and that Congress would have the same general makeup under say a Bush presidency they would all be roughly similar. I haven't heard that Trump has exhorted some sort of undue influence on members of Congress to shape this bill in his own image, so far it appears Trump pretty much just pushes whatever Paul Ryan shows him. It looks like the pretty standard "moderate" conservative tax plan we could expect under any Republican presidency.

Thus, isn't the failing in the GOP tax bill as described by these economists not Trump's limited input but that the current moderate conservative tax doctrine is inherently damaging to the economy?

I fail to see how Trump uniquely impacted this bill which makes it a bad choice, but another Republican president would have been able to use his "influence" to convince Paul Ryan and friends to draft something that similarly follows party doctrine, but isn't damaging.

Seems to me you can't be conservative and think this bill is somehow uniquely terrible considering its what is to be expected from pretty much any conservative administration.
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There isn't and if one of those people were President, the thread title would be the same with a name change. But those people aren't President, Trump is so his name gets attached to it. And since he's openly advocating for it, he gets the credit and the blame.

This is what happens when someone is President. It doesn't matter what someone else would have done because no one else has the job. You critique the person in office against what he's actually doing, not against what someone else might have done.

So the failing falls on Trump, unless he comes out and pushes the GOP to change said plan. The GOP isn't going to push anything that they know Trump will veto so he has some leverage in the final bill.

And you can be conservative and thing this bill is terrible. It doesn't have to be unique to also be terrible. Consistently terrible isn't better than uniquely so. That isn't to say this bill is terrible...unless you care about debt and deficits as we've claimed for the last 12 years. You don't cut taxes when the economy doesn't need the stimulus, when you're not also cutting spending or when there's no discernible benefit to doing so.
 
Haven't any of you ever watched a movie? It's always the one crazy guy that's right.
 
bobgeese said:
Serious question, how many of those economists predicted the market would crash if Trump won?
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Economists don't predict. They look at trends and look at data for models based off policy and events.
 
7437 said:
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Correct, yet this raises a fascinating question.

Has America not been usually well served by the "can do" spirit that let people who were not ruling experts or ruling nobles make their decisions?

And, was it a good idea for America to have such a complicate bureaucracy that only a seasoned lawyer/technocratic elite could reign supreme?

What does that say? That it is so hard to hold up the bones of our American administrative Leviathan?

Maybe that is the cost of a government that "takes care of people," maybe that is the cost of technology and a fast moving new world, but maybe part of the picture is that what should be like driving a bus became a rickety flying machine that never quite makes it off the ground and yet costs much more to prop up.
 
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