Lomachenko is the best ever.

[AJBG]

Skiil alone is more determinant in the amateur than in professional boxing. In addition to pure skills and athletisism, a specialized tactical plan designed to defeat a specific opponent is paramount in professional boxing. You cannot do that in amateur boxing, where the pugilist needs to polish his natural skills and technique to face any possible opponent and corresponding style.
There have been top amateur boxers who weren't so sucessful as professional boxers, and vice versa.So, to avoid losing generality in this analysis, we should consider the amateur and professional careers of those we want to consider in the top of our list.
That being said, there aren't many whose amateur career and professional trascendence can even compare to Loma's and Rigo's. Certainly not FM, RJJ, etc. Thus, when it comes to skills and athletisism, I consider (in no particular order) Loma, Rigo, SRL, Ali, Pernel Whitaker to be in the top echelon row.

 

[Massapiece]

Floyd is much better than loma, in fact floyd was better in his first pro fight than lomachenko is today at 29.

 

[Anderson Silva]

Yeah, run to your mommy...

Racism has no place on sherdog

 

[baconCrunch]

he'll probably never capture the hearts of fans around the world, like ali or tyson. but because boxing will never be mainstream and popular as it once was.

but if we base it on pure boxing, he may have the potential to be there.
what he did to rigo was amazing. a man considered to the best cuban fighter of all time and one of the most celebrated olympic boxers of all time. smaller in size, yes.. but the fact he not only beat him, but toyed with him..

what does it take for lomachenko to be considered the best boxer of all time?
what if he demolished an over the hill pacman? he would instantly be mainstream, but the best, probably not.
mayweather, loooong shot.
beating garcia & linares are really the most realistic options.
if he can make mikey garcia say no mas, yes loma maybe the greatest imo.

 

[tekkennlee]

These fans don't learn, they are already starting their crap by over hyping this poor kid, who's going to lose bad.

Then everyone will talk crap even though the kid is good but he doesn't deserve this overboard praise by ESPN and his fans. Someone has been watching to much ESPN hype jobs they have as commentators.

The sad thing is Loma will lose real bad in a couple of fights.

Best ever he's not even as good as Pernnel W. and people are calling him the best ever

Just wait and see what happens when someone beats his ass. Salido already gave them the schematics and blueprint on how to beat Loma.

Relentless pressure body attack along with power punches and inside fighting beats Loma.

Mexican Boxing style is going to destroy Loma and it already beat him once in his career.

Watch what happens in a couple or his fights, that Mexican style is going to put an hurting on Loma.

 

[baconCrunch]

mayweather is one of the greatest.
but lets be honest, some of his decisions could have gone either way. he never dominated any pfp opponent.

 

[USAUSA1]

Period.

Anyone care to disagree? We can argue about record but on skill alone he’s almost perfect. Amazing!

I love when we build fighters up, that's how the sport continue to thrive. I support the best ever movement especially when you talking about a two time gold medalist.

 

[Massapiece]

Floyd is easily better than loma.

 

[Massapiece]

mayweather is one of the greatest.
but lets be honest, some of his decisions could have gone either way. he never dominated any pfp opponent.

Name those fights.
These goofs are comparing floyd who never lost nor had very many tough nights in 50 fights to a guy with 10 wins and a loss in his second bout.

 

[HHJ]

I don't count the Salido loss against Lomachenko, just take a look at how good Salido was even in defeat yesterday night. A great boxers worst nightmare.

That was Lomachenko's second fight and Lomachenko finished strongly. Would you give Michael Conlan the same shit if he fought Salido in his second fight and lost a close fight? They were similar age and had the same amount of amateur experience at the most elite level.

Lomachenko would clearly beat Salido up in any rematch from Russell Jr. onwards.

Fuck that shit. Salido won. Loma wasn't ready for that kind of savagery yet.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

>"Lomachenko is the best ever"
>couple of MMA brawlers in av

 

[Minowafanatic]

mayweather is one of the greatest.
but lets be honest, some of his decisions could have gone either way. he never dominated any pfp opponent.

This is false, and Marquez immediately springs to mind given the comparisons here. JMM moved two weight classes up to face Mayweather and was ranked no.2 p4p at the time by Ring Magazine, iirc, under Pacquiao given that Mayweather had "retired" previously, and JMM was dominated. And he was much more accomplished as a pro than Rigondeaux was. And Marquez of course was a bit younger and plenty more active than Rigondeaux against top flight competition.

Diego Corrales was also in the top 5 p4p when Mayweather completely and utterly annihilated him, which was a huge win at the time.

 

[baconCrunch]

Name those fights.
These goofs are comparing floyd who never lost nor had very many tough nights in 50 fights to a guy with 10 wins and a loss in his second bout.

castillo, de la hoya, maidana were are close fights
that is common knowledge for boxing experts that castillo could have gone either way

lomachenko doesn't have floyd's resume. no doubt about that.
but the point is floyd never dominated these top pfp guys in his prime.

 

[baconCrunch]

This is false, and Marquez immediately springs to mind given the comparisons here. JMM moved two weight classes up to face Mayweather and was ranked no.2 p4p at the time by Ring Magazine, iirc, under Pacquiao given that Mayweather had "retired" previously, and JMM was dominated. And he was much more accomplished as a pro than Rigondeaux was. And Marquez of course was a bit younger and plenty more active than Rigondeaux against top flight competition.

Diego Corrales was also in the top 5 p4p when Mayweather completely and utterly annihilated him, which was a huge win at the time.

oh pls.. marquez was not in his prime, and fighting outside of his wgt class

diego corrales was an ibf champ, with his best win against angel manfredy.. i don't think so
anyone hwo thinks this guys was on a top 5 pfp list doesn't know boxing

 

[JayE]

oh pls.. marquez was not in his prime, and fighting outside of his wgt class

diego corrales was an ibf champ, with his best win against angel manfredy.. i don't think so
anyone hwo thinks this guys was on a top 5 pfp list doesn't know boxing

Corrales was universally rated top 10 p4p when he fought Floyd. Ring had him rated #5.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2000

 

[Minowafanatic]

oh pls.. marquez was not in his prime, and fighting outside of his wgt class

How does that not apply even more strongly (on both counts) to Rigondeaux?

diego corrales was an ibf champ, with his best win against angel manfredy.. i don't think so
anyone hwo thinks this guys was on a top 5 pfp list doesn't know boxing

Ring Magazine end of 2000 pound for pound rankings:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2000

1. Shane Mosley
2. Felix Trinidad
3. Roy Jones Jr.
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Diego Corrales
6. Naseem Hamed
7. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Erik Morales
10. Bernard Hopkins

Another one would be Shane Mosley. Mosley was top 5 p4p going into that one and outside of the 2nd round, it was a complete shut-out.

 

[Massapiece]

castillo, de la hoya, maidana were are close fights
that is common knowledge for boxing experts that castillo could have gone either way

lomachenko doesn't have floyd's resume. no doubt about that.
but the point is floyd never dominated these top pfp guys in his prime.

No they werent. Unless you like pitter patter nonsense that lands on the belt line and shoulders then i guess you could say its close.
Floyd dominated everyone he fought.
50-0 speaks for itself.

 

[Massapiece]

oh pls.. marquez was not in his prime, and fighting outside of his wgt class

diego corrales was an ibf champ, with his best win against angel manfredy.. i don't think so
anyone hwo thinks this guys was on a top 5 pfp list doesn't know boxing

Whats lomas W over Rigo worth?
Wasnt rigo past prime and out of his weight division as well?

 

[RudimarChute]

>"Lomachenko is the best ever"
>couple of MMA brawlers in av

TJ is not a brawler by any means what a dumb comment, and the AV isn’t glorifying Garbrandt.

Ps.
This is the boxing section of an MMA FORUM!

 

[Sunfish]

Just a second. Why are people discussing the 2000 rankings and mma fighters with regards to mayweathers legacy? Secondly someone trying to belittle Floyd hasn’t included roger jumping in the ring against zab. Thirdly, read some fucking history and stop these bullshit threads and the opinion that boxing has only existed since some dudes had a random fight with Royce Gracie.