Logically, Steroid Usage Has No Impact On GOAT Status

Does it move someone down to #2, #3, #4? Irrelevant. It doesn't move them down any number of spots. It removes them from the competition altogether, because they're not meeting the same requirements. There is no standard of comparison.

If you juice, it's a simple binary - not GOAT, and not in the discussion. If you're not in the discussion, there's no number that can or needs to be put on it.

Where does George Forman rank in the all-time women's boxers list? What's that, he's not in that category? But does that mean he's 2nd, 3rd? No, it means he's not in the discussion
 
I would tend to agree TS...





If was a retard, which I'm not
 
Franc Mittelo said:
If you want to say that Anderson Silva and Jon Jones are not GOAT status because of steroid usage, that is fine, we are all entitled to our unreasonable religious superiority beliefs. However, logically, it doesn't make sense.

My question is this, how much down the ranking does steroid usage demote a fighter? It is easy to say "GSP is the GOAT over Jon Jones, because GSP never tested positive for steroids." Fine. But what about a guy like Paul Craig who has a record of 1-2 in the UFC, is he also better than Jon Jones because he has never tested positive for steroids?

How many of you can seriously say Paul Craig and CB Dollaway are more deserving of GOAT status than Jon Jones, because they never tested positive for steroids?

If you can't say it with confidence, then steroids don't affect GOAT talk. If you can say it with confidence, then we have to agree that GOAT talk is not based on fighting ability.
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Your reasoning is extremely faulty. How about examine your own post for errors before accusing others of faulty "logic".
 
jeremyemilio said:
With most players, sure. But with Bonds everyone knows pretty much exactly when he started due to the extreme change in physical appearance, coinciding precisely with the extreme performance gains (at a very late stage in his career, at that), coinciding with the findings of the Balco investigations.

Twas not a subtle transformation:

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Those veins cannot be unseen.

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Your talking about a value judgement though so "logic" does not really stand out as a good argument.
 
Arm Barbarian said:
FAIL

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That’s hilarious

Also TS point was pretty bad tbh, a better argument for jones & Anderson is that probably everyone at the top level is juicing and it’s just part of professional sports in general. He’ll most of Silva’s opponents actually popped themselves

And please don’t argue with innocent until proven guilty... Lance Armstrong never officially popped, while admitting later to have used for the majority of his career
 
Venom said:
Your reasoning is extremely faulty. How about examine your own post for errors before accusing others of faulty "logic".
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Just because you say it is, it doesn't mean that it is so. Especially, when you are not even presenting a counter argument. You are just throwing shit at the wall and hoping that something sticks.

Make a counter argument or don't waste your time.
 
Franc Mittelo said:
Just because you say it is, it doesn't mean that it is so. Especially, when you are not even presenting a counter argument. You are just throwing shit at the wall and hoping that something sticks.

Make a counter argument or don't waste your time.
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Pseudointellectualism at its finest :p
 
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