Jon Jones is officially worse than Lance Armstrong. Jones cheating was above and beyond Lance!

[MariaCallas]

Has anyone who really cares about PEDs in pro sports ever sat down and asked themselves why does it matter so much to them? Its ridiculous.

PED usage in a sport where you ride bicycles is much less egregious than usage in a sport where you beat your opponent's brain and internal organs with those enhanced muscles and bones. I believe that it should be grounds for both legal and civil action on the part of the opponent and the promotion. Enact real penalties and we'll see whose dad-bods emerge within a year.

No. Nobody's EVER thought about why they should care. You're unique in your brilliance, sweetheart. Never change.
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[giusti825]

They're equal. Jones is actually physically hurting people, but Lance was a straight up evil person. He blackmailed people, ruined careers to keep his secret, and even exploited his cancer.

Armstrong's 'evil' was justified. It was safe to assume society's reaction to finding out about PED use in pro cycling would be insanely disproportionate to rationality.

TBH....Lance was right...he's been vilified and blackballed. The USPS is suing him to try and get back their endorsement money even though they already used his likeness in all their ads.

Its one thing to take the titles away.....but people are trying to bankrupt him now....

If he could foresee this, id imagine he would have been much more 'evil' about keeping the doping in pro cycling under wraps....

As far as 'exploiting' cancer goes, he helped raise millions of dollars for cancer research....and he really did have cancer....

 

[Alpha_T83]

I completely agree. Lance Armstrong was competing in a field where everyone in biking was doping. However, JJ was a steroid cheat against DC who was clearly clean his whole career, being a former olympic athlete.

Also JJ is in a combat sport where his doping must be considered battery against his opponents.

 

[giusti825]

No. Nobody's EVER thought about why they should care. You're unique in your brilliance, sweetheart. Never change.
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PEDs are in EVERY pro sport. In MMA, the majority are using and know how to beat the tests....just like EVERY other pro sport. The only difference is that the UFC has more stringent testing. So they'll likely catch 5% of PED users instead of 2%...

If someone was going to die in MMA due to steroids, it would have happened a long time ago.

How long was PRIDE around? How long did the UFC only have weigh-in/fight-night testing?

If anything, the only difference now is that the UFC is shelling out millions to a company in the snake-oil business of anti-doping.

These guys actually pretend that they can get athletes to stop using PEDs by catching them doing it.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Sure, they might be able to catch a VERY small percentage of guys on specific substances they test for, but that just means the guys change their cycle so they could compete against everyone else who is also beating the tests....

Not only should we not care about anti-doping, we should accept the fact that we dont have the technology to ensure that athletes aren't using. There are just too many ways to beat the tests.

PEDs should just be legalized. It would make athletes much safer. They would be able to use openly under the supervision of a physician, getting their PEDs from labs with high standards for safety instead of ordering online garbage made in chinese bathtubs.....

When there are hundreds of thousands or millions on the line, athletes are going to use....

 

[Kinger85]

Jon and Lance are equal in terms of number of Tour de Frances won.

 

[giusti825]

I completely agree. Lance Armstrong was competing in a field where everyone in biking was doping. However, JJ was a steroid cheat against DC who was clearly clean his whole career, being a former olympic athlete.

Also JJ is in a combat sport where his doping must be considered battery against his opponents.

Just because an elite pro athlete passes a drug test, doesn't mean theyre not using.

Most pro athletes use....

If passing drug tests is your only criteria for deeming a pro athlete natty, then Armstrong was natty the whole time.

Don't be naive.

Jones failure of the drug test was unprofessional, nothing more.

He just needs to tighten up his cycle and stop changing his approach so he could be like everyone else who passes the tests....

 

[Source]

Say what you want about Lance Armstrong, he was competing on an even playing field..Literally everybody else was doing what he was doing....Lance was simply better.


Jon Jones on the other hand, has always been using...Now, you can claim that all UFC fighters he fought were using but we simply don't have the evidence for it(except for Vitor)...But it's clear, that Cormier didn't use anything in the 2nd fight.


Jones was always roiding, he can't be considered the GOAT at all....Lance on the other hand, can be considered the GOAT because he was racing other cheaters.



Also lets not forget, that Lance Armstrong helped fund cancer a shitload....His lie, helped people...unlike Jones.

I blame this garbage post on the hot sports take radio epidemic. Everything doesn't have to be the whateveryest of all time.

 

[EL GOAT]

PEDs are in EVERY pro sport. In MMA, the majority are using and know how to beat the tests....just like EVERY other pro sport. The only difference is that the UFC has more stringent testing. So they'll likely catch 5% of PED users instead of 2%...

If someone was going to die in MMA due to steroids, it would have happened a long time ago.

How long was PRIDE around? How long did the UFC only have weigh-in/fight-night testing?

If anything, the only difference now is that the UFC is shelling out millions to a company in the snake-oil business of anti-doping.

These guys actually pretend that they can get athletes to stop using PEDs by catching them doing it.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Sure, they might be able to catch a VERY small percentage of guys on specific substances they test for, but that just means the guys change their cycle so they could compete against everyone else who is also beating the tests....

Not only should we not care about anti-doping, we should accept the fact that we dont have the technology to ensure that athletes aren't using. There are just too many ways to beat the tests.

PEDs should just be legalized. It would make athletes much safer. They would be able to use openly under the supervision of a physician, getting their PEDs from labs with high standards for safety instead of ordering online garbage made in chinese bathtubs.....

When there are hundreds of thousands or millions on the line, athletes are going to use....

I agree it should be legalized.

But lets not pretend that USADA doesn't work...It clearly does and it's effective rate is really high...Considering most MMA fighters get paid peanuts, they can't get the good shit that can go undetected.


But yes, legalize it.

 

[giusti825]

Armstrong's 'evil' was justified. It was safe to assume society's reaction to finding out about PED use in pro cycling would be insanely disproportionate to rationality.

TBH....Lance was right...he's been vilified and blackballed. The USPS is suing him to try and get back their endorsement money even though they already used his likeness in all their ads.

Its one thing to take the titles away.....but people are trying to bankrupt him now....

If he could foresee this, id imagine he would have been much more 'evil' about keeping the doping in pro cycling under wraps....

Jon and Lance are equal in terms of number of Tour de Frances won.

Lol.....sports organizers are hilarious sometimes....

You can't take away a won race from 10 years ago.....

He got the experience of crossing the finish line first....the year of treatment as the world champ.....

And you know the new guys that get his forfeited championships are just trying to keep a low profile cuz they dont want PED questions a decade later.....

 

[giusti825]

I agree it should be legalized.

But lets not pretend that USADA doesn't work...It clearly does and it's effective rate is really high...Considering most MMA fighters get paid peanuts, they can't get the good shit that can go undetected.


But yes, legalize it.

If USADA worked, we would be down to 4-5 cards a year.....everyone else would be suspended.....

USADA doesn't work. But its not their fault. Even with the best science available, resources and a strategic testing plan.....the fact remains that short of locking athletes up, it would be unrealistic to keep them from using PEDs....

There is no adequate drug testing method on earth that would be worth the expense or athlete harrassment for anti-doping to actually work.....

If you believe ANY pro sport (or even sports entertainment) could be 'cleaned up' at this point, youve been sold a bottle of snake-oil by the anti-doping industry......its simply part of athletic culture.....and its a shame that everyone has to lie about it...

 

[MariaCallas]

PEDs are in EVERY pro sport. In MMA, the majority are using and know how to beat the tests....just like EVERY other pro sport. The only difference is that the UFC has more stringent testing. So they'll likely catch 5% of PED users instead of 2%...

If someone was going to die in MMA due to steroids, it would have happened a long time ago.

How long was PRIDE around? How long did the UFC only have weigh-in/fight-night testing?

If anything, the only difference now is that the UFC is shelling out millions to a company in the snake-oil business of anti-doping.

These guys actually pretend that they can get athletes to stop using PEDs by catching them doing it.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Sure, they might be able to catch a VERY small percentage of guys on specific substances they test for, but that just means the guys change their cycle so they could compete against everyone else who is also beating the tests....

Not only should we not care about anti-doping, we should accept the fact that we dont have the technology to ensure that athletes aren't using. There are just too many ways to beat the tests.

PEDs should just be legalized. It would make athletes much safer. They would be able to use openly under the supervision of a physician, getting their PEDs from labs with high standards for safety instead of ordering online garbage made in chinese bathtubs.....

When there are hundreds of thousands or millions on the line, athletes are going to use....

Take note, gentlemen; this is how sleazy, amoral people use text-walls of overexplanatory circular reasoning to justify their lack of scruples.

 

[giusti825]

Take note, gentlemen; this is how sleazy, amoral people use text-walls of overexplanatory circular reasoning to justify their lack of scruples.

What did i say that wasn't true?

 

[MariaCallas]

What did i say that wasn't true?

Pretty much all of it is conjecture and smoke-blowing. I'm having a hard time actually finding anything you said that isn't influenced by your pre-determined position of "so what? Everybody does it anyway, so why bother trying?"

I find such spineless sycophancy in the name of entertainment to be very unbecoming in a gentleman. One reveals himself as being of limited intellect and having a moral fiber with very low thread-count in such cases.

 

[Fyreborn]

Not all cyclists were using.

Armstrong actually pressured teammates who weren't using, to use.

It's true cycling might be the dirtiest sport out there, but not all cyclists were cheating back then.

 

[Z28MARO]

For some reason with Jones I don't mind it. All part of his heel persona.

 

[flairleguccijoints]

This is really a proxy post, has nothing to do with Armstrong and more to do with latent hatred. Couldn't be a more inappropriate comparison if you know Lances history, the lives ruined, the lawsuits, the usage of cancer fundraising to shield himself from scrutiny, not to mention the seemingly endless willful ignorance of fans in sports with rampant PED usage, cough, ahem.

Sure Lance won 7 straight TDF against a dirty as hell field. That's what the people wanted to believe, along with them bullshit bracelets. By the way, you should look up how much of your "donation" goes to overhead, salaries, and not finding a cure. Very telling that they don't emphasize prevention. But I digress....

 

[PancraseForever]

Why are you so sure Cormier is clean lmao... Who would compete for that much money and not use all the advantages they can get? These people aren't competing for free for pride, they're competing for money and the better they are the more they make. Plus they know 90 to 100% of their opponents will be using something.

 

[giusti825]

Pretty much all of it is conjecture and smoke-blowing. I'm having a hard time actually finding anything you said that isn't influenced by your pre-determined position of "so what? Everybody does it anyway, so why bother trying?"

I find such spineless sycophancy in the name of entertainment to be very unbecoming in a gentleman. One reveals himself as being of limited intellect and having a moral fiber with very low thread-count in such cases.

Its not just that 'everybody does it', its that the social stigma associated with PEDs is unwarranted....an honest system would be much better than what we have now; a system where everybody pretends to want drug-free competition, but everybody's on drugs and lying about it.

1) The right to know what other people put into their own bodies is not one other people should have. The right to tell people what they can and can't take is even farther over that line.

Its not really anyone's business anyway....the fact that people care is kind of creepy.

2) The current methods of detecting PEDs are completely inadequate. They catch such a small percentage of the problem, that they almost dont serve as an actual deterrent......or justify their expense.....

The science isn't at a point where natty competition could be guaranteed without perpetual harassment of athletes for samples.

 

[aichokyu]

Say what you want about Lance Armstrong, he was competing on an even playing field..Literally everybody else was doing what he was doing....Lance was simply better.


Jon Jones on the other hand, has always been using...Now, you can claim that all UFC fighters he fought were using but we simply don't have the evidence for it(except for Vitor)...But it's clear, that Cormier didn't use anything in the 2nd fight.


Jones was always roiding, he can't be considered the GOAT at all....Lance on the other hand, can be considered the GOAT because he was racing other cheaters.



Also lets not forget, that Lance Armstrong helped fund cancer a shitload....His lie, helped people...unlike Jones.

no lance was not racing only against other cheaters, and the other cheaters did not have as much leniancy as he had. (it is all documented, how he was informed of tests dates and locations, which other cheaters weren't)

this is a spin he launched to try to save his reputation and make people believe his was still better than his peers.

 

[UL]

Jones is a cheater

but it's Greg Jackson who is the problem.