Ok half your response is inside the "Gambledub quote" and there is no spacing between my text and your response which makes it very confusing.
For now i'm going to ignore all your points about the Dojo stormer acting inappropriately, we can agree on that so there is no point focusing any more on it.
^ There "provides Karate and Brazilian Jiu - Jitsu classes" they directly advertise Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
You're right "what is Braz Jiu-Jitsu?" Why not write "Brazilian Jiu Jitsu" or "BJJ". Perhaps I'm reading into it, but I think the wording "Braz Jiu Jitsu" is specific and intentional. It is similar enough to "Brazilian Jiu Jitsu" to imply to beginners/prospective students that it is BJJ, but the wording of "Braz Jiu Jitsu" allows them to claim that they never actually claimed to teach "Brazilian Jiu Jitsu" in such it is shady marketing with an inbuilt deniability clause as I have said previously.
Ok then, if the owner of the building is advertising it on the sign that is another issue, but where is the evidence that this website is done by the owner? Does the owner run the website or does the instructor? What about the Facebook page?
A seminar of a different style is a completely different issue. You're right about asking questions, if some random kid turns up in a BJJ gi at my school wearing some weird ass belt claiming he's a "blue belt in Jiu-Jitsu" questions are going to be asked, that's how we're in this situation.
The problem isn't whether instructors or students can distinguish, it's whether people that don't train can distinguish. From the situation that has happened it is
clear that this schools own students cannot distinguish, that is the problem. The most likely cause of this, is because the school in question has a dodgy ass marketing scheme where they are claiming to teach or at the very least implying they teach BJJ.
Read between the lines for a second here. How do you think that open mat went? He either walked on the mats and sat down to train, or he signed up at the front desk, how do you think that conversation went down while signing the waiver?
- "hey dude, have you trained before, do you hold any rank in Jiu Jitsu"
- "yeah I have trained in Jiu Jitsu, I am a blue belt"
At a BJJ school, if you say "Jiu Jitsu" it is implied that you mean BJJ. Especially if you turn up with a BJJ gi.
This is missing the point completely. What about someone who walks of the street after watching the UFC wanting to learn BJJ? Should they be able to distinguish the techniques or the level of the X Gracie Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school vs the "Combat Jiu Jitsu school" that has "Braz Jiu Jitsu" on the sign outside or has "Brazilian Jiu Jitsu" advertised on the website?
You're right, the students are not to blame. Students are the reflection of their teachers, in this case teachers that either intentionally or naively have not made a clear distinction between what they are teaching vs what they are advertising.
The instructor did have a problem with it, as he then went on to dojo storm the school.
Gokors school is a Judo based school with submission grappling, that is like 10th Planet allowing BJJ rank up to brown belt being transferable completely different circumstances. As is Ronda training at the Mendes Bros school as at the time she was a current UFC champ and Olympic medalist, that is very different to a random kid claiming a "blue belt in jiu jitsu" showing up to a BJJ class (who I do feel sorry for)
You don't see how any of this could be perceived as problematic? Or why there is any issue whatsoever? Don't you think at the very least it was naive of the school in question to not think something like this would happen eventually?
It's eerily similar to the Gracie Combatives blue belts teaching "Combat Karate" in their black belts wearing BJJ gi's while claiming to teach BJJ (while conveniently omitting the fact they were BJJ Blue belts).
So, why aren't you also contacting the instructor? Or the buildings owner if he is apparently the one responsible for advertising BJJ? Perhaps it is possible that the instructor has also misled the owner (whether knowingly or unknowingly) by failing to mention what type of "Jiu Jitsu" he is teaching.
Again the blue belt being wrong in the way he approached the situation, does not make his concerns wrong.
Also for the third time....
Do you personally know anyone involved in this situation???