Is Kevin Lee the best LW in the world?

[KORMAN]

Dude beat a Barboza?

Barboza was lighting Ferguson up on the feet. It was a great win by Ferguson but without his unorthodox BJJ he was going to lose. I've been waiting for a rematch ever since. Ferguson has ducked it at every turn and Barboza tried to troll him for a little.

What? He beat TF out of Barboza. He was landing some wicked ass shots, and what do you mean if he didn't have BJJ? That's MMA lol. You notice he rocked his ass before he locked on the sub.

Did you even watch the fight? Barboza threw everything and the kitchen sink at him, and he kept coming forward like a pitbull. Landed that sweet ass spinning elbow, and choked his ass out.

On what planet was Barboza supposed to win that fight?

 

[KORMAN]

Saying that he was lighting Ferguson up is disingenuous. Ferguson outlanded him in head strikes and Barboza was slowly fading. If Barboza was really lighting him up on the feet then why did he shoot for a TD? Without his unorthodox BJJ he was going to lose? That's like saying without his kicks Barboza would lose?

Lmao this. I don't know where he got his MMA analysis from, but it damn sure isn't from.palnet Earth. Or, he's barboza's 1st cousin.

 

[johncola]

He's certainly up there but I need to see him fight more top guys to decisively say that. He can't fight anyone higher than Ferguson so we're at the point where we'll be finding out. He's underdog and I'm picking against him, so I certainly wouldn't say yes right now.

 

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Seems like we got Ferguson huggers in here.

People acting like Barboza didn't win the first and put a beating on Ferguson in the process.

Barboza clearly showed her was the superior on the feet. @KORMAN you're right that why Barboza lost because he threw the kitchen sink at him and gassed. Instead of just winning a decision he looked for the finish. You tweek the game plan and Barboza wins.

He'll after Nate dropped out his fight with Ferguson see the beginning of the summer Ferguson too to Twitter to say who wants to fight. I'm looking for a fight. Barboza was one of the first responses with rematch? No response out of Ferguson after that.

 

[Superzorro]

He has show up 24/26 scheduled fights. Rarely is an exaggeration.

If Khabib gets his health in order then yes, I think Lee should fight him for that title.

Khabib has been in the UFC since 2012, Kevin since 2014. And already Kevin has nearly double the fights as him. I know you don't want to admit it, but he's right. Facing Khabib is a rare occurrence. So rare that beating him shouldn't be a requirement to be in the conversation.

 

[HelpYouFall]

I'm not a big Conor fan, but how the fuck is he not the best LW in the world until someone actually beats him in that division? He absolutely dismantled Alvarez. That being said, the dude needs to start defending that belt instead of getting busted up by boxers. But until then, he's king of the LW division.

 

[UFC=Pride]

If he beats Ferguson and Khabib

 

[MCS]

I have him at #4 as of now. Think Tony submits him, Khabib finishes him on the ground. Conor needs to have more fights at LW to be sure how good he's there, but the way he beat Alvarez was astounding.

 

[Muppettoker]

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Nope

 

[Hoop]

Calling someone the "best fighter, Champion, Striker, Grappler" et al is probably the most convoluted title you can give someone in a sport like MMA.

You think Lee is the best LW because of what you think he'll do to other fighters - which you can do with any pair of fighters pre fight. You also said he's improved his striking; what fight did we see an improvement in his striking? I don't think he's improved in that part of his game, but he doesn't stand idle and moves around much better than he used to.

I think he's very good at chaining his wrestling into submissions. There's probably going to be 3 points of discussion after this fight (depending on how the fight plays out)

- if he wins, he's the real deal.
- loses, and he was out of his element against Ferguson.
- loses by decision - depending on whether you like him or not - he's either a solid fighter who did well to last 5 rounds with Ferguson or he jumped a few gulfs in class and will be mocked for it.

Fighters for the most part aren't judged on their skill-set, but whether someone likes or dislikes his/her (on here for the most part) persona or saying something that rubs people the wrong way.

 

[mmacasualviewer]

Mr Motown writes checks that don't exist.

What's Floyd, Tyson & Ali's KO %?

 

[Squintz]

I'll go with Justin Gaethje.

He's got wrestling, a rock solid chin, effective striking and he throws with power. He can take his opponent down if he wants and he doesn't need to worry about being taken down. On the feet he's willing to eat a shot to dish one cause he knows he'll outlast anyone that wants to trade.

He's the first guy to finish MJ via strikes and he ate all of his best shots before doing so. He is the most complete fighter at 155.

 

[Mammothman]

I didn't knew beating barely top 10 Chiesa makes you the best in the world....

 

[gosuasus]

Conor is.

Above all mortals.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Khabib has been in the UFC since 2012, Kevin since 2014. And already Kevin has nearly double the fights as him. I know you don't want to admit it, but he's right. Facing Khabib is a rare occurrence. So rare that beating him shouldn't be a requirement to be in the conversation.

That certainly is your opinion. Khabib had some bad injuries that took him out of the game for a while. It was beyond his control.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

A good grappler with awful striking and a bad chin. Def the best eva!

 

[Sakuraba7]

At this moment, my order goes like this:

1. Tony Ferguson
2. Conor McGregor
3. Khabib Nurmagomedov
4. Kevin Lee
5. Edson Barboza

Kevin could rise to No.1 if he beats Tony, even though I think Conor is a tough match-up for him stylistically.

How is Conor #2 at LW, when he's only fought once at LW?..

 

[007]

Khabib vs Lee would settle this

 

[TRTVitor]

I like Kevin Lee but what has he done to even be mentionned in that conversation? Only reason he got that TS is because he was the only available guy and because he had some kind of marketable beef with Tony. That's it. You can't be the "best lightweight in the world" when your best win is Mike Chiesa (granted it was in impressive fashion). That being said I like his skillset and his confidence and I cant wait for his scrap with Ferg. I hope he proves me wrong and both guys put on a show.

 

[Superzorro]

That certainly is your opinion. Khabib had some bad injuries that took him out of the game for a while. It was beyond his control.

Whether or not it was beyond his control is irrelevant. Fighting Khabib is a rare occurrence for any fighter. And any rational person would realize that. Tell me what is wrong with that statement.