Has the HW division evolved as a whole (last 10 years)?

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  1. Final Say

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    I still think there has been evolution though. But I believe stipe is the sign of evolution as opposed to Francis. And Cain was before Stipe, and junior before him.
     
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    Nog is noticeably shorter than Werdum who was noticeably shorter than Stipe and yet they're all 6'4"...hmmmm...

    I can absolutely confirm stipe is 6'4" though
     
  3. JBJISGOAT

    JBJISGOAT Brown Belt

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    So dc is now a lhw even tho he has beat like 4 top 10 hws yet you claim Jones is a hw dodging his natural weight class. The hypocrisy is hilarious in your posts!
     
  4. markg171

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    Arlovski's a better striker than when he was champ. He just has a worse chin nowadays, hence why he loses.

    Being better skillwise but still losing fights =/= the sport hasn't evolved. Arlovski is better, he's just older.
     
  5. PEDS Help me Post

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    When did big giant men take over exactly? Since 2002 there has been only 1 giant ranked as the #1 HW and he got destroyed by the smallest HW currently in the UFC top 10.

    If they got rid of the 205 lb division right now and Jon Jones, Daniel Cormier, Gus and Rumble were moved into the top 10.... do you really think they wouldn't be competitive?



    Maldonado is a bad example because he's not any good.
     
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  6. PEDS Help me Post

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    You think Andrei Arlovski now would have beaten Andrei Arlovski from 10 years ago?

    Give me some of the shit that you're smoking pls
     
  7. markg171

    markg171 Silver Belt

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    Arlovski had a better chin, but what was he better at?

    He's a better striker than when he was champ, and his grappling is the same as ever.
     
  8. Typrune Goatley

    Typrune Goatley Black Belt

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    Somebody said none of the current HWs can make 205 so that is why I brought up DC fighting for the HW title. You must not have saw the post I replied to
    <seedat>
     
  9. BigMuffler

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    Nog is normally listed as 6'3.
     
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    Bubblun Brown Belt

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    I appreciate the effort but your stats are false.

    Top heavyweight fight from 2004, both fighters 225 pounds.



    Nogueira was ranked all those years, but was around 225 pounds all is Pride career, never over 240 like you wrote.


    The top 4 heavyweights of the last decade, Fedor, Nogueria, Couture and Crocop were around 220 pounds, today 220 pounds heavyweights don't exist, this is a fact.



    As usual Pride nerds on the rescue.



    2 times heavyweight champ Frank Mir said that mma indeed has evolved, so let's accept it and move on.
     
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  11. lorenzofertatta

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    Lesnar, Carwin, Duffey... War new breed!!
     
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  12. jono83

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    Hey now! Those guys were incredibly evolved! You know.. If people meant slower, heavier, shittier endurance, and less mobile fighters are all examples of the heavies evolving well then they're absolutely correct.
     
  13. Playswellwithlawndarts

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    I think the division is too thin personally and you need name power. USADA wasn’t around so it’s hard to say. I don’t think the game passed these guys by and I see what your getting at. But to assume no evolution in training,rule changes,weight cut ,idk man
     
  14. lorenzofertatta

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    10 years ago Ngannou would have been submitted as soon as his ass hit the canvas.
     
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    Yeah your right. He wouldn't have gotten the lay and pray treatment. I mean all it took from Stipe was very basic single/double leg takedowns to get that giant "super athlete" to the ground. Honestly I was surprised Stipe manhandled him so easily. Thought that dude would be stronger than him, for a little while until he gassed which was rather quickly.
     
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    Its gone backwards badly. Tank Abbott would knock guys like Christian Colombo out cold. Dan Severn would tap most of them out too.

    A lot of the fighters in UFC HW division are only part time fighters, I saw a list a while back on here and so many of them have other jobs, we know Stipe is only part time, he is a fireman. But a lot of them are police officers and security guards. They barely even train
     
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  17. Johnsonville

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    I 100% believe prime big nog would be champ right now. I recently got fight pass and have been binging on pride and am so impressed with his quickness, boxing, takedowns and transitions. He was so well rounded. Sergi and aleks are also much better than most of the current division. And also fedor and cro cop obviously are the top talents next to nog.

    ~DaViD~
     
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  18. Mga223

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    Don't see Coleman, Barnett and cc surviving the usada era.

    Even add slyvia in there.
     
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  19. Gyro

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    Thats a solid observation, I still believe they would make the top 10 if they were young and healthy.
     
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    True I wouldn't really be able to turn around and say they wouldn't.

    Would have most of them fav against 6-10 will probably underdog to 1-5.
     
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