Greatest LHW of All Time (August 2017 Poll)

[tramendous]

Why would anybody vote for Wanderlei? Like Wanderlei is some pure example of clean MMA fighters.

he completed all of his great accomplishments where you couldn't cheat with PEDs since it was allowed anyways.

 

[MuyThaiElbows]

Jon Jones
Chuck Liddell

Wand and Shogun were "MW" greats officially in PRIDE

 

[GoldenAzazel]

he completed all of his great accomplishments where you couldn't cheat with PEDs since it was allowed anyways.

Shogun would have hands down beat Wanderlei in his prime, PED's or not.

 

[Foolish]

The big problem in my eyes is that alot of LHW names were specialists. This is true today as well.

Chuck- Striker with TDD, Shogun- Muay Thai with decent defensive grappling, Cormier- high pressure fighter with okay striking, Johnson- hard hitter with a low grappling ceiling.

Jon Jones, love him or hate him, really was one of the first big LHW's that could do it all. His one flaw was that he lacked KO power in his hands and tended to rely on open palms to maintain distance, but he was a dangerous wrestler with killer ground and pound and a cagey striker who utilized his reach well. The closest we've come to an all-around fighter next to Jones is probably Cormier or Rashad, and I'd argue both of them had a very low ceiling on their striking and had to regularly fall back on being some of the best MMA wrestlers in the world.

So...it's hard to say. There have definitely been better strikers than Jones, and even better pure wrestlers. But the thing about Jones is that he had an answer for anything you could throw at him, and I just can't think of another Light Heavweight who can say the same thing. Rampage? Machida? Hendo? Not like Jones.

Thus, if you take Jones out, it's almost impossible to find someone else who can even compare as an all-around fighter.

 

[p4pfighters]

in no particular order wand ,shogun, chuck , page, hendo/tito.

DC dont have enough fights at LHW he needs a few more fights to be ranked in the all time LHW.

Jones is a verified fraud he should not be ranked.

 

[tramendous]

Shogun would have hands down beat Wanderlei in his prime, PED's or not.

i think shogun was greater than wand but i think it would have been a close fight. my point was that all the things that wand did that make him great was done in an environment where PEDs were fair game so it doesn't matter if he was on them or not.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

i think shogun was greater than wand but i think it would have been a close fight. my point was that all the things that wand did that make him great was done in an environment where PEDs were fair game so it doesn't matter if he was on them or not.

That's a fair argument I guess, but if we're seperating Pride and UFC based on rules and terms then shouldn't Wand not even be near the conversation seeing as he was technically not a LHW?

 

[tramendous]

That's a fair argument I guess, but if we're seperating Pride and UFC based on rules and terms then shouldn't Wand not even be near the conversation seeing as he was technically not a LHW?

he was a lhw in UFC terms because pride's middleweight division was 205 pounds.

anyways there is this chute boxe gym story that back in the day, shogun bought a puppy and brought it to the gym. Wand wanted the puppy and shogun and him decided that they should fight for it and whoever wins gets to keep it and wand supposedly knocked shogun out.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

he was a lhw in UFC terms because pride's middleweight division was 205 pounds.

anyways there is this chute boxe gym story that back in the day, shogun bought a puppy and brought it to the gym. Wand wanted the puppy and shogun and him decided that they should fight for it and whoever wins gets to keep it and wand supposedly knocked shogun out.

I guess it also depends on what your definition of a GOAT is. a lot of people disqualify people who had to use PED's to achieve an advantage.

That's a pretty crazy story. lol. Where did you hear that? I wonder if he still has the dog.

 

[tramendous]

I guess it also depends on what your definition of a GOAT is. a lot of people disqualify people who had to use PED's to achieve an advantage.

That's a pretty crazy story. lol. Where did you hear that? I wonder if he still has the dog.

there was an article on it on fightmagazine (the site is dead now) but if you google shogun wanderlei puppy you'll find lots of sherdog threads and other sites saying the same thing.

 

[ferrisjso]

The fact DC got 67 people to vote for him makes me want to throw up while Machida, Evans and Rampage got like 1%(in their primes all these fighters would have spanked DC).

Disgraceful. Man's got 5 wins in 7 fights in the division including a SD with Gus where he was almost KO'd in. Do all you DC fighters even know the resume's of all the other great fighters in the division? Noobs who just ignore everything before they started watching and then make bold GOAT assertions make me sick. Not seeing being new to the sport is bad, just take some time to learn about what happened before saying a fighter is the best in a divisions long and storied history.