Give me one good reason why DJ isn't GOAT....

[KillMeGod]

Mighty Mouse is definitely the most talented fighter we have ever seen. He is easily #1.

 

[politozx7r]

Big John raising the hands of a killer:

Big John proud of his bi-racial child for getting an A on his elementary school exam:

Hahahahhahahahah hahahahahhahaha
Post of the day right here boys

 

[Takamine86]

Fedor beat 5 former UFC champs, MM has beat none.

lol. Well, he was the first and only UFC flyweight champ

 

[politozx7r]

You can say Fedor fought a bunch of cans but Fedor has 18 good wins in less than 9 years. Averaging 2 solid opponents per year with a can in there since he had already cleaned out the division


Let me ask you this, who would win prime Fedor or prime Mighty Mouse?

Fedor lost to a middle weight yes he has some big wins but it is a padded record we’re as jones and Gsp fight the best right through

 

[storeybuckle]

That isn't skill based.

No BS about his height, PPV numbers etc.

You can't.

He's very skilled, he's ruled a division that's been around for a few years. However he's competing in an extremely shallow division we're the talent pool is lacking

 

[daniel san]

Well, obviously height, size and PPV sales aren't reflective on how good a fighter is so why even bring that up?

MM is not the GOAT (yet) because he hasn't faced top notch competition. It's not unlikely that he has improved enough to beat elite BWs but we simply don't know since he hasn't tried it for years. He is impressive as hell though and so is his win streak. The one thing I would bring up in regards to size, is that the smaller you are the easier you can get away with things. As a HW, one mistake and there is a high risk you are getting knocked out and it's not exactly the same for a FlW. His win streak is really good but a far inferior fighter at MW/LHW has a higher chance of pulling off the upset than a FlW.

 

[Shaddows]

How am I being ignorant by stating facts bro? tf?! I'm just relaying what actually happened. it would be different if he didn't actually duck TJ, but he did. TJ was ready, he was getting down in weight, it would've been more money.. he was ready to step in and fight DJ, but for some reason DJ turned it down? yea he might've thought it was unfair to give TJ a shot, and not Borg, but TJ actually was a champion before, hasn't had weight issues, and comes to fight. the way Ray Borg fought tells me he's inexperienced. he needs more experience before fighting for a world title in the UFC. that's what gets me about him, is how he doged a former champion to fight a guy that doesn't take MMA seriously just to beat Silva's record..?

If you didn't read my post just so you could claim he ducked TJ, then you are indeed being willfull ignorant.

Like that kid who puts his hands over his ears and scream "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!"

DJ was forced to fight Borg.
Then the UFC wanted to switch to TJ. No bump in pay, nothing.
DJ said no because it wasn't fair.
Then Dana tried to bully him, and he said "OK, I'll fight him. But if he does not make weight, you pay me in full, like I won the fight" and the UFC did not accept that.

And you claiming "he always made weight is dumb, seeing that he never fought at that WC...

BTW: how do you explain DJ wanting to fight the champ in Cody but being afraid of TJ?? Sorry, you can't.

 

[Relentless chase]

If you didn't read my post just so you could claim he ducked TJ, then you are indeed being willfull ignorant.

Like that kid who puts his hands over his ears and scream "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!"

DJ was forced to fight Borg.
Then the UFC wanted to switch to TJ. No bump in pay, nothing.
DJ said no because it wasn't fair.
Then Dana tried to bully him, and he said "OK, I'll fight him. But if he does not make weight, you pay me in full, like I won the fight" and the UFC did not accept that.

And you claiming "he always made weight is dumb, seeing that he never fought at that WC...

BTW: how do you explain DJ wanting to fight the champ in Cody but being afraid of TJ?? Sorry, you can't.

Dude you're so wrong!! the fight would've been more money! there was more money in the TJ fight and DJ turned it down, turning it down then made Dana mad because MM is all about wanting the get paid more and all of that. TJ was getting down in weight, key word "getting" meaning he was leaning on down and could've made weight and actually takes his stuff seriously. DJ dodged TJ. if he would've fought Cody, then why couldn't TJ come down in weight to fight him for the belt to beat Silva's record? makes no sense, right?! S-C-A-R-E-D little pussy. He would rather go up to fight Cody, but yet when someone wants to go down to fight him, he wants to find an alternative and fight someone who shouldn't even be in the title picture! no "GOAT" would EVER do that. that's why he isn't GOAT. skill wise, he's great, but he's scared of real competition. I could go on and on and onnnnnnnn for dayssssssss. point of the matter is, DJ ducked Dillashaw, you know it and you can't pull anything on me. this fight would've made him more money, Dillashaw even said so on live TV, so how can you argue that with me??? lmao.

 

[Relentless chase]

I know and the crazy thing is DJ said that tj won’t make weight meanwhile Borg missed 3 times and even pulled out lmao

He was scared homie

Yes dude! my point exactly.

 

[JKS]

He is the greatest FW of all time and it's not even in question about that. As far as the greatest fighter of all time?? No...sorry he's not because the level of competition that he's beating is not the level of fighters that Anderson, GSP and Jones were beating. The 125 lb division in the UFC is the least developed , most of his wins are over fighters who have very little experience fighting at a high level. Out of his wins the only guy who really had this was Benevidez who was a contender in the WEC and UFC and a consistent top 5 fighter. Aside from that none of his competition were champions or even had a prior title fight in the UFC, his competition were fighters who entered the top 5 for the first time in their career in a shallow division and got a title shot right away. Granted that GSP and Anderson had a few guys on their title defenses like that as well, but those two had at least 4/5 wins over some pretty elite level fighters.

DJ's division is holding him back because as I said its the least developed in the UFC in terms of elite level competition. I just can't say he's the greatest fighter ever when his title reign has names like Cariaso, Moraga, Baugotinov, Elliot, Borg, Horiguchi, Reis, on it. I need to see how he would do vs a TJ or Cody if they stepped down to fight him.

I think he's among the best fighters ever skills wise, that goes without any question and a top 5 goat all time, just not the greatest. I dont think there is a definitive goat in mma.

 

[ib313]

That isn't skill based.

No BS about his height, PPV numbers etc.

You can't.

Wait... your title says give a reason that isn't skills based, but your examples of BS are all non-skill examples.

Stop 0x0000000A or IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

 

[The GIF Poster]

 

[bigmacbub]

MM long should have tested himself with a real fight. He literally took the easiest route. Ray fucking Borg lmfao. I would have considered GOAT if he sacked up and fought TJ or Cruz. Fuck it Benevidez but nah he'll take Borg to pass Anderson. Pretty weak imo. How anyone could even fathom putting MM above Fedor is incredibly mind blowing.
Edit: MM is FLW GOAT.

 

[myjohnson9]

Fedor lost to a middle weight yes he has some big wins but it is a padded record we’re as jones and Gsp fight the best right through

Jones fought Stephen Bonnar, a bunch of MWs Chael, Vitor, Lyoto, Rashad, and a bunch of big names past their prime. His only great wins are Gus and DC and he lost rounds to both of them.

GSP is the clear #2 GOaT and cleaned out the best of his division for almost as long as Fedor did. But Fedor didn't play it safe and still didn't lose rounds.

Fedor
GSP
Jones
Silva
MM
Aldo
In that order

 

[Shaddows]

Dude you're so wrong!! the fight would've been more money! there was more money in the TJ fight and DJ turned it down, turning it down then made Dana mad because MM is all about wanting the get paid more and all of that. TJ was getting down in weight, key word "getting" meaning he was leaning on down and could've made weight and actually takes his stuff seriously. DJ dodged TJ. if he would've fought Cody, then why couldn't TJ come down in weight to fight him for the belt to beat Silva's record? makes no sense, right?! S-C-A-R-E-D little pussy. He would rather go up to fight Cody, but yet when someone wants to go down to fight him, he wants to find an alternative and fight someone who shouldn't even be in the title picture! no "GOAT" would EVER do that. that's why he isn't GOAT. skill wise, he's great, but he's scared of real competition. I could go on and on and onnnnnnnn for dayssssssss. point of the matter is, DJ ducked Dillashaw, you know it and you can't pull anything on me. this fight would've made him more money, Dillashaw even said so on live TV, so how can you argue that with me??? lmao.

Again, willful ignorant at play.

Here, an actual quote of the whole issue. Readup or STFU because you are being a hypocrite to have the actual quote and continue lying about it (yes, lying. Because one thing is if you didn't know. But I just showed you prof and you keep trying to deny offering nothing but your dumb ass lies):

For years I have been a company man and kept quiet, accepting fights, doing as they asked, and always remaining humble and grateful for the opportunities provided to me through mixed martial arts. This is how I was raised through the sport. Unfortunately, UFC’s mistreatment and bullying has finally forced me to speak out. I’ve decided to speak out now as I feel like my values and character as a person and a fighter are being tarnished by an organization I’ve done nothing but sweat and bleed for over the last seven years of my life. If it takes me speaking up and encouraging other fighters to ban together to start getting fair treatment, then so be it.

UFC Matchmaker Mick Maynard called and offered the fight vs. Ray Borg. I thought [Sergio] Pettis was a more marketable name and on a longer winning streak. Mick went back to Dana, then came back and told us that I had no choice, it was going to be Ray Borg, not Pettis, and there were no other options. That was the command from Dana and company. This would mean that my only chance at PPV points at flyweight was vs. Ray Borg. I said OK, but it’s not fair to make that my only chance at PPV points, when Cody Garbrandt is saying he wants to come down and fight me at flyweight, which was the fight I wanted. We told Mick that to be fair we would take the fight, but [we] want PPV points for future fights at flyweight. Mick agreed and said it was fair and didn’t see any problem with that situation. Mick spoke to Dana and [UFC matchmaker] Sean Shelby, who then told him to deny giving me any future PPV points for all of my future flyweight fights. Further, I still had to fight Ray Borg and they were giving me no other choice. I accepted the fight with Ray and decided to deal with the unfair situation and despicable treatment by Dana and Sean after I succeed in breaking the consecutive title fight defense record in my next fight vs. Borg. Mick thanked me for accepting the fight, knowing that I was being screwed over and mistreated by Dana and Sean.

I wanted a reason for not being allowed any future PPV points. Sean Shelby called and told us how smaller fighters don’t sell, that UFC can’t make stars of anyone, and that a fight between Cody and I wouldn’t be a sellable fight. We disagreed. I think a fight between Cody and I would be popular if it was even given a small serving of the marketing efforts put into other big fights.

UFC has failed to market and promote me appropriately. Prior to my last fight, where I tied the record for the most consecutive successful title defenses, we waited to re-post UFC’s social media posts about me from their Facebook page. There weren't any posts until a few days into fight week, then, there were a total of two posts. In comparison to others who they promote across their social media platforms, they failed to do their job in promoting me and that monumental event. In my recent conversations, Sean and Dana have confirmed UFC’s lack of desire to put any effort into promoting us.

In addition to the above, I want to address the lack of marketing and promotion of the flyweight division, even though Dana will claim otherwise. I would challenge that the UFC doesn’t even market the division. It’s been three years since the UFC launched three new divisions in two years (2012 to 2014) where they focused most of their marketing efforts to grow female mixed martial arts, which I understand. But, we are now three years post-launch, and the company continues to do the bare minimum in marketing the division well past the launch of these other divisions. As a fighter, I pay very close attention to the amount of marketing that goes into and around my fights and I can tell you that you’d be hard pressed to find much that has been done to promote me outside of TUF 24, which was minimal in comparison to other fights, fighters and shows. With me, the UFC chooses not to market the best fighter in the world and arguably the greatest fighter of all time. I can’t think of any other sports organization in the world that has the best player in the sport where the league, or the organization, doesn’t market that player to their loyal fan base to sell more of their product. Look at my track record for showing up to fights. Look at my track record of finishing fights. Look at my track record of getting fight night bonuses. Ask yourself if you think that if the UFC decided to truly put marketing dollars behind me that they couldn’t sell me or my fights.

Completely unrelated — and after the accepted fight vs. Ray Borg — Cody Garbradt injured his back and TJ Dillashaw said he wanted to fight me. Dana told me he wanted me to fight TJ, which I disagreed with for multiple reasons. First, TJ has never fought at flyweight and is unlikely to make the weight, which would then eliminate the possibility of breaking the title defense record. Second, they have already told me that a fight between Cody and I wouldn’t be sellable, so fighting TJ would have no monetary upside. Third, TJ is not a flyweight or a current champion in another weight class and was KO’ed by the flyweight whom I beat twice already. Last, Ray Borg and I already agreed to the fight, which UFC tyrannically demanded, while denying me any future PPV points.

After telling Dana my reasons, Dana angrily told me that I am fighting TJ, once again, with no other option or say in my career, and against the plans we had previously laid out. He went on further to say that if I didn’t take the fight against TJ, and drop Borg as the opponent, he would get rid of the entire flyweight division. He said, this is for TJ and I’m taking away TJ’s opportunity. That fact that he feels that what I should do in my career is for TJ, tells where his priority lies.

Sorry Dana, my career is about Demetrious Johnson and my goals of fighting the best current flyweights, breaking the record of title defenses, going after the bantamweight champion after I have broken the record, and making money for my family. My career is not about doing for Dana’s buddy, who is neither a bantamweight champion or flyweight contender. We ended by disagreeing and left it there. The next day, Dana went to the media and announced that I was fighting TJ Dillashaw, in an obvious attempt to bully me in the media and tarnish my reputation. I posted a short statement letting people know that I had not agreed to the TJ fight, but had already agreed to fight Ray Borg, as demanded by UFC.

Dana put up an interview stating that it was “insane” that I didn’t want to fight TJ, that “he makes the matches and that is the match he is making,” and, “You tell me why DJ doesn’t want to fight TJ,” trying to make it as though I am scared or ducking TJ Dillashaw.

Mick spoke to me to try to change the offer from Ray to TJ. I told Mick that I thought TJ should fight once in the division first, prove he can make the weight and get a win at that weight, then fight me if I wasn’t already busy with Cody. Mick agreed that it made the most sense.

Later Mick called again, as mandated by Dana, to try to make the fight with TJ and drop Ray. We told him that we didn’t think TJ would make the weight and the fight would be off since it would no longer be a title fight without TJ making weight. Mick said they guaranteed that TJ would make weight. We told him that since it was guaranteed by TJ and UFC was demanding and putting me in a bad circumstance, then it is fair that if TJ didn’t make weight, the fight would be off and I would still get my guarantee, plus TJ’s guaranteed pay. Mick said that Ray would be on the card and he could fill in if TJ didn’t make weight. We said, oh, then which one do I train for? I thought TJ guaranteed he was making weight. Is it a world championship with the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter on earth, or an amateur tournament where I don’t know who I’m fighting until I get there. Obviously there was no guarantee and they just wanted to push me to do something that they knew wasn’t a good choice for my career. The “guarantees” that they made had nothing to back them up and they were unwilling to give a real guarantee to compensate me for all the damage I put on my body preparing for a fight that may not happen. The fact that they said Ray will be a backup shows the lack of respect they have for what we go through in preparing for a fight at this level.

Mick went back to Dana and Sean, then came back and told us that they don’t agree with my request and I have to fight TJ with no guarantee to make weight or financial incentive if he doesn’t make weight. This is typical of the unfulfilled promises and bullying that has gone on through my UFC career.

In summary:

I agreed to their tyrannical demand to fight Ray Borg and Ray also agreed.

UFC has refused to give me PPV points on any future flyweight bouts, and has never given me any PPV points on previous bouts. My request was fair and the matchmaker in charge of the flyweight and bantamweight division agreed.

I gave UFC fair conditions to change the fight to TJ Dillashaw and they refused.

Dana and Sean have told me that they have no interest in marketing me or the smaller divisions, so when they say that I will make PPV money vs. Dillashaw, they leave out the fact that I have to hit certain numbers of buys, which will not be hit if they fail in marketing me like they have in my previous fights.

If TJ doesn’t make weight, I can’t break the record for the most consecutive title defenses and they have denied paying me in that circumstance.

Dana has made an effort to bully me in the media as well as in private, in order to get what he wants, even though it is not what is best for me or the sport.

If Dana says this will be a big PPV fight for me, and that they will promote it properly, then he can pay for it up front and explain to Ray Borg why he is being taken out of the fight that the UFC matchmaker in charge of the division put him in. Otherwise, it is just another lie and attempt to bully me to do something that Dana wants, but is not the right thing to do for the sport or my career.

UFC’s track record in making an effort to promote my fights, and Dana’s claim that this is a big chance for PPV dollars for me tells a different story than what Dana is stating to the public.

TLDR: DJ wanted Pettis. UFC forced Borg on him. He accepted anyway.
then UFC changed to TJ without giving him anything extra m(no PPV points).
So he refused.
Dana tried to bully him claiming he would fold the division. DJ called his bluff, Dana STFU and DJ fought Borg.
End of story.

edit: link

 

[kingT]

Because I can destroy him with ease and I'm not even a professional fighter

 

[Relentless chase]

Again, willful ignorant at play.

Here, an actual quote of the whole issue. Readup or STFU because you are being a hypocrite to have the actual quote and continue lying about it (yes, lying. Because one thing is if you didn't know. But I just showed you prof and you keep trying to deny offering nothing but your dumb ass lies):


TLDR: DJ wanted Pettis. UFC forced Borg on him. He accepted anyway.
then UFC changed to TJ without giving him anything extra m(no PPV points).
So he refused.
Dana tried to bully him claiming he would fold the division. DJ called his bluff, Dana STFU and DJ fought Borg.
End of story.

edit: link

Dude you're such a fucking bitch, I swear. you POS, it's on the fucking Internet for crying out loud, plus it was on TV. damn you're an idiot. I remember TJ coming on "UFC Tonight" and they interviewed him and he talked about it. idgaf what you have to say about it, you're a troll and that's that.

 

[PancraseForever]

The same reason Ronda Rousey wasn't when she was humiliating the WMMA division.

 

[Future GOAT]

Can't be the GOAT if you're not a heavyweight. Stipe, Werdum, even past prime bar brawler Fedor would straight kill MM in a fight. There is a reason a roided up Jones even ducked Heavyweight. Thats where the baddest men in the MMA world fight. If you aren't one of them, you're not the GOAT.

 

[Shaddows]

Dude you're such a fucking bitch, I swear. you POS, it's on the fucking Internet for crying out loud, plus it was on TV. damn you're an idiot. I remember TJ coming on "UFC Tonight" and they interviewed him and he talked about it. idgaf what you have to say about it, you're a troll and that's that.

LOL! So I provided an actual quote from DJ, with the link to the site, and you try to deny and curse & cry at me...
as I said, you are an idiot with an opinion. A biased opinion that is. And based on a lie.
And you know it is a lie, but you don't care because you are a hypocrite.

You are done because truth just humiliated you.

Go cry in a dark corner, screaming you are right because you want to be right. That won't make you right, but you will feel better because there will be no people with common sense to tell you how much of a fucking idiot you are.