Fighters from other combat sports who have crossed over into Boxing

Interesting post, but that last point isn't right, IMO. Boxing in MMA is realllllyyyyyy bad. The MT isn't great, but the boxing is far worse.
I'm not really a MT expert, but most of the guys I know (including several posters) have told me that the MT level in MMA is at least comparable to the boxing level (relative to sport). Most guys can't properly check leg kicks, the kicking form is awful, and the clinch work is ugly and incompetent at worst. If you know MT really well, then I'll cede this one to you, but from what I understand, they're about at hte same level.
 
Interesting post, but that last point isn't right, IMO. Boxing in MMA is realllllyyyyyy bad. The MT isn't great, but the boxing is far worse.
I have to disagree with this. Most MMA fighters train boxing more than any other stand up art and the level of instruction of boxing is far higher in their own countries than MT instruction. Only in Thailand really does the level of MT instruction trump that of boxing training. I'd say having watched a lot of MT and boxing that the level of boxing and MT is more or less equal in MMA

As for guys that have crossed over from other combat sports to boxing both Pele Reid (he who KO'd Vitali in kickboxing) and Matt Skelton (K1) spring to mind. And you could include Ricky Hatton who started as a kid in kickboxing before making the switch to boxing.
 
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I would of much rather preferred Spong In MMA than in boxing. He just looks like a completely different fighter in boxing than he was in kickboxing. From the boxing fights he had it like he was just plodding around the ring just throwing power shots, compared to when he was kickboxing where he looked more graceful and technical in the ring.
 
A fair number of Thai guys got the fundamentals of the sweet science and then dominated Muay Thai. Vitali was a kickboxer then a boxer.
 
well part of it is that these guys get paid well for each fight, and they simply fight more often than a boxer does (as much as twice a month) so, that coupled with sponsors and lowered prices in Thailand make for what is pretty good money (at least in Thailand). It's not Floyd money, but it's good money. Certainly, it's at worst comparable to UFC pay.

yeah, no doubt about it. I don't know that much about MT, but the guys there are just at another level in terms of striking skill and athelticism
Whats the difference in the money side in Thailand is Boxing bigger then Muay Thai for purses
 
Whats the difference in the money side in Thailand is Boxing bigger then Muay Thai for purses
honestly couldn't tell you. Boxing is more international though, so Thai guys can go abroad (mostly to Japan/the Philippines/Mexico/rest of Latin America/Africa) and make good pay. I know Pong made 250K or so for his fight with Kameda in Japan, that's pretty good money.
 
honestly couldn't tell you. Boxing is more international though, so Thai guys can go abroad (mostly to Japan/the Philippines/Mexico/rest of Latin America/Africa) and make good pay. I know Pong made 250K or so for his fight with Kameda in Japan, that's pretty good money.
Top 3 highest profile thai in MT(international circuit), yodsaenklai purse is 40k US ive heard from a few sources. Id think only buakaw fighting in kunlun (China) sittichai in glory KB and perhaps saenchai ahead of that.
 
Top 3 highest profile thai in MT(international circuit), yodsaenklai purse is 40k US ive heard from a few sources. Id think only buakaw fighting in kunlun (China) sittichai in glory KB and perhaps saenchai ahead of that.
Kunlun and glory are kickboxing, which is different in rule set.

Yod doesnt fight high level MT anymore, just regional tours (think if Pac were to fight Horn, then Van Heerden, Burns etc... for the rest of his career).

I'm not sure how much actual high level MT (which is basically relegated to Lumpinee and Rajadamnern from what I understand) pays
 


I always found these cross overs into boxing and vice versa into other combat sports interesting. it showed me early on that there are levels to boxing, and this was the big reason why ray sefo went back to kickboxing. If he couldn't beat a guy who would never be world champion, then he definitely had even less of a chance than chester hughes.

To be really successful in a specialist sport such as boxing, you'd have to be training in it at a young age and have a chin. Ray Sefo was really good with his hands in K-1, but looked lackluster in boxing. I have to start looking up these thai guys in boxing because I didn't realize that many crossed over into boxing.
 
Interesting post, but that last point isn't right, IMO. Boxing in MMA is realllllyyyyyy bad. The MT isn't great, but the boxing is far worse.

Well is there anyone that you've seen in mma who displays somewhat decent boxing or muay thai? Marcus Davis used to fight years back in the UFC and I always enjoyed his fights. He was the only guy in MMA that I knew of who had a legitimate boxing background with a pro record. Marcus Davis came from boxing into MMA at an older age than most, but what he brought over were legitimate boxing skills.

Mind you he wasn't anything much in boxing, but he had the legitimate boxing skills that he transferred over into MMA. He was the only guy that made MMA a serious career and he became successful. It was awesome watching him develop his other skill sets such as his grappling, like when he armbarred Paul Taylor.
 
Also the female g.o.a.t. crossed over from judo and kickboxing to boxing

Lucia Rijker
 
Matt Skelton. Fought Hoost in the K1 gp final in 2000 iirc and fought Anthony Joshua two years ago
 
There are a few (Rambaa Somdet is the MMA 115 GOAT) but they generally don't get much press. Here are a few guesses as to why:

1. I'm pretty sure MMA is illegal in Thailand (could be wrong on that one).

2. they'd have to learn grappling, which would be a huge distraction from their MT/boxing.

3. The champs make good money in MT and are huge stars, they wouldn't the same visibiity to the media as MMA champs as they would boxing/MT stars.

4. Thais are controlled by their promoters completely. They consider themselves their promoters' employees and they are famous for letting their promoter decide their next fight for them, with no input from themselves. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of promoters are just against the idea of doing MT.

5. Most top boxers from Thailand are in the sub 126 divisions. MMA doesn't really do anything below 125 (and you see how poorly MM is treated to begin with). There are a few promotion withs 115ers (One and Shooto come to mind) but the divisions where the Thais are strongest aren't really a thing in MMA. 125 would already be pushing it. I'm pretty sure MT's "heavyweight" division means anything above 160 lbs.

6. Activity. A lot of MT guys fight like once every three weeks (sometimes as tuneups against scrubs, sometimes against legitimate opposition). They like to stay active and keep the money coming in. There is no way in hell the UFC is dishing out 500K every three weeks for a champ that probably won't draw well.

I agree though, if top MT guys came to MMA, I think they would smack around the MMA guys in their striking. The level of MT in MMA is about as bad as the level of boxing.
I wish it were so when coming into MMA from M/T.. Malapat "diamond".. best example I can think of. On the American side, Bolanos may have a better run at it then the Thai I mentioned.
 
I have to disagree with this. Most MMA fighters train boxing more than any other stand up art and the level of instruction of boxing is far higher in their own countries than MT instruction. Only in Thailand really does the level of MT instruction trump that of boxing training. I'd say having watched a lot of MT and boxing that the level of boxing and MT is more or less equal in MMA

As for guys that have crossed over from other combat sports to boxing both Pele Reid (he who KO'd Vitali in kickboxing) and Matt Skelton (K1) spring to mind. And you could include Ricky Hatton who started as a kid in kickboxing before making the switch to boxing.
Actually not true.. the avg MMA fighter will have experience in M/T or Kickboxing, more so then Boxing. Hence the skill level disparity within MMA when speaking of Boxing vs M/T-Kickboxing. There are far more high level and mid level kickboxers and thai boxers, who compete in MMA, then actual boxing specific trained athletes. Though, it is changing fast, with more boxing coaches finding themselves more open to training/coaching an mma athlete, while teaching him/her boxing skill sets that work for MMA, not necessarily for boxing.
 
Actually not true.. the avg MMA fighter will have experience in M/T or Kickboxing, more so then Boxing. Hence the skill level disparity within MMA when speaking of Boxing vs M/T-Kickboxing. There are far more high level and mid level kickboxers and thai boxers, who compete in MMA, then actual boxing specific trained athletes. Though, it is changing fast, with more boxing coaches finding themselves more open to training/coaching an mma athlete, while teaching him/her boxing skill sets that work for MMA, not necessarily for boxing.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree as I believe that yes while MMA fighters do train MT and kickboxing they put a lot more emphasis on the boxing element because 80% of what they'll be throwing in the cage will be punches. There are many fighters who barely throw a single kick in a whole fight but name me one that doesn't throw a single punch?
I'd agree that you get some high level kickboxers in MMA but certainly not MT fighters. Name me one ex-MT champ who competes in MMA. It's a shame really that the Thais don't get into MMA as then we'd really get to see some high level MT for a change as opposed to Matt Brown level MT.
 
Then we'll have to agree to disagree as I believe that yes while MMA fighters do train MT and kickboxing they put a lot more emphasis on the boxing element because 80% of what they'll be throwing in the cage will be punches. There are many fighters who barely throw a single kick in a whole fight but name me one that doesn't throw a single punch?
I'd agree that you get some high level kickboxers in MMA but certainly not MT fighters. Name me one ex-MT champ who competes in MMA. It's a shame really that the Thais don't get into MMA as then we'd really get to see some high level MT for a change as opposed to Matt Brown level MT.
Malapet.. Diamond. Oh, I turned pro in 2013 too..
 
Interesting post, but that last point isn't right, IMO. Boxing in MMA is realllllyyyyyy bad. The MT isn't great, but the boxing is far worse.
even by the former strikers themselves? Overeem, Wonderboy, Sponge? Hell, fucking Maldanado won boxing gold in brazil for 3 years in a row and he aint shit. Freddie Roach trained GSP for more than one camp. etc

Regardless, you realize they don't have time to just focus on hands. Take down threat changes the strike game completely.
 
well, most guys that do boxing aren't going to be exceptionally good, period, regardless of what background they come from. That said, there are quite a few Thais who came from MT and became titlists, or even P4P fighters. Pongsaklek, Khaosai Galaxy, Veeraphol, Chitalada, Kyowa, Borkhorsor, Sorjarturong, Kingpetch, Chionoi, Payakaroon and several others all probably had at least some MT background, and several of those are ATGs (at least in their divisions).

There is a pretty distinctive "Thai style" to boxing (bear in mind that obviously not everybody fights this way, notably Pong, Chitalada, and Kingpetch). Generally it involves sitting behind a jab and grinding your opponent out, mostly with inside work jabs and crosses. The biggest strength (IMO) in this style is the conditioning. Thais are almost universally well conditioned and very tough, they're there fighting you from start to finish. They generally have pretty solid body work (both inside and outside) as well and are generally at least competent ring cutters. The weakness however, is that the style tends to be centered around being the aggressor, defense usually isn't stressed as much (at least not versatile defense, mostly it's just high guard). Some would say the fighters tend to be a bit flat footed so they can get outboxed. Relative to, say, the Cuban style, it's fairly crude, but it usually gets the job done.

Yeah, a friend an I were talking about how if we were given the choice between learning Muay Thai or boxing, and use only the techniques from that sport, we would both choose boxing since Muay Thai depends a lot on a fighter's toughness and ability to stand in front of their opponent and take some damage. But while you can't kick in boxing, you use your legs and feet to avoid punishment and much of the focus is on defense.

So while many of the MT guys getting into boxing will be able to make that style work, since they were tough enough to make it in Muay Thai, it really isn't the ideal style for anyone but guys like that.

A little off topic. But your post reminded me of this conversation we just had weeks ago.
 

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