Elite Sprinters and the 40-yard Dash

[heavyarms21]

Rice? Is that some sort of ethnic slur?

Relax , I'm Asian

 

[aries]

Relax , I'm Asian

Ok, don't personally get it but to each their own.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Lol that whole rice exchange. A good friend of mine in high school use to have to kneel on rice when he got in trouble.
Ouch.

 

[Elzio Dennick]

Forget the 40 it means nothing other than accelleration, legit sprinters don't hit their topend until around 60ish then it's speed endurance as they attempt to sustain/maintain that max velocity, then that decelleration phase, the less of that as possible is the goal.

NFL All Time 100m QB's

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1.Marcus Mariota
2.Michael Vick
3.Colin Kaepernick
4.Kyler Murray
5.RGIII
6.Lamar Jackson
7.Kordell Stewart
8.Willie Thrower

All Time NFL 100m Cornerbacks

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1.Lenny Lyles
2.Stanford Routt
3.Clarence Childs
4.Henry Carr Olympic 200m gold
5.Darrel Green
6.Deion Sanders
7.James Trapp
8.Rod Jones....once ran down Bo Jackson

All Time NFL 100m Running Backs

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1.Jamaal Charles
2.Curtis Dickey .....world ranked
3.Herschel Walker
4.Bo Jackson
5.Michael Bennett
6.Buddy Young NCAA/USA Champion
7.Travis Williams
8.0.J.Simpson

All Time NFL 100m Wide Receivers

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1.Sam Graddy Olympic silver medal
2.Willie McGee 9.1 World Record
3.Willie Gault
4.Bob Hayes Olympic gold medalist
5 Alvis Whitted
6.Cliff Branch 9.2
7.Jacoby Ford
8.Tyreek Hill

Won;t count Olympic sprinters Frank Budd, Ray Norton, Jimmy Hines, Tommie Smith, Jeff Demps, they were pretty much failed experiments except Demps.

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Usain Bolt started out as a 400m sprinter, well he didn't like the pain so he started running and training as a 200m cat and he spent years running that event. So when he finally did come to the 100m he had years of building that speed endurance which is the key to everything beyond a 60. Bolt took longer to hit that MV meaning his decelleration phase was shorter most of his race was acceleration and topend. Now add a 6=5 stride. Nobody reading this will see his records broken they are that far out there.

 

[codfather]

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[Hatorade]

More impressive than all of the mentioned runners is that Darrell Green ran 4.2 at 40 yrs of age and 4.4 at 50 yrs of age.



http://www.espn.com/blog/sportscent...-darrell-green-is-still-faster-than-all-of-us

Darrel Green was hands down the fastest player in NFL history if we're talking on the field speed.
Watch the way he runs down Eric Dickerson, who was a legit 4.3 guy in the 40 yard dash. He did the same thing to Tony Dorset who was also a legit 4.3 guy.

 

[Hatorade]

NFL All Time 100m QB's

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1.Marcus Mariota
2.Michael Vick
3.Colin Kaepernick
4.Kyler Murray
5.RGIII
6.Lamar Jackson
7.Kordell Stewart
8.Willie Thrower

If we're talking 100 meter, it would most likely be
Randall Cunningham or Terrell Pryor who both ran 10.4 in the 100m in HS.
RG3, who had a personal best of 46.9 in the 400m in college, was probably in that neighborhood. Most of those listed aren't in the same universe as that type of top end speed.

All Time NFL 100m Cornerbacks

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1.Lenny Lyles
2.Stanford Routt
3.Clarence Childs
4.Henry Carr Olympic 200m gold
5.Darrel Green
6.Deion Sanders
7.James Trapp
8.Rod Jones....once ran down Bo Jackson

Rod Woodson was a world class guy in the 110 hurdles and ran a 20.9 in the 200m. He was definitely faster than some of these guys, but it's a good list.

All Time NFL 100m Running Backs

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1.Jamaal Charles
2.Curtis Dickey .....world ranked
3.Herschel Walker
4.Bo Jackson
5.Michael Bennett
6.Buddy Young NCAA/USA Champion
7.Travis Williams
8.0.J.Simpson

Bo only ran a legit non-wind aided 10.44 in the 100m. That is spectacular considering he was 223lbs when he did it, but he wasn't as fast as guy like Jamal Charles, Herschel walker or OJ who all had better official collegiate times. Hershel was also in the 220lb range. Then you have guys like Eric Dickerson (10.3), Reggie Bush (10.42) and Adrian Peterson(10.26), who had amazing prep times. The problem with running backs is that they're all blown up from lifting. It's hard to say what a Guy like Dickerson, Bush or Peterson would have ran in college after packing on 15lbs of muscle. My guess is that they would not have improved their times. It's one of the reason's you don't see a lot of running backs that run track as well as play football in college like you do receivers or defensive backs.

 

[aries]

Forget the 40 it means nothing other than accelleration, legit sprinters don't hit their topend until around 60ish then it's speed endurance as they attempt to sustain/maintain that max velocity, then that decelleration phase, the less of that as possible is the goal.

Then why do the NFL choose to measure the 40 yard time, it must be relevant for some reason?

Usain Bolt started out as a 400m sprinter, well he didn't like the pain so he started running and training as a 200m cat and he spent years running that event. So when he finally did come to the 100m he had years of building that speed endurance which is the key to everything beyond a 60. Bolt took longer to hit that MV meaning his decelleration phase was shorter most of his race was acceleration and topend. Now add a 6=5 stride. Nobody reading this will see his records broken they are that far out there.

I don't know about that in the 200m. Eirryon Knighton has already broken Bolts U20 record in the 200m at 17 years old. He certainly has the potential if he keeps improving.

 

[Elzio Dennick]

Darrel Green was hands down the fastest player in NFL history if we're talking on the field speed.
Watch the way he runs down Eric Dickerson, who was a legit 4.3 guy in the 40 yard dash. He did the same thing to Tony Dorset who was also a legit 4.3 guy.

Eric Dickerson was a 9.4 and Dorsett probably a 9.5, yep, Green was a 9.3.

He only ran the NCAA 100m one time he came in 6th with a 10.2ish, he lost to fellow footballers Willie Gault and Mike Miller. Green was nowhere remotely close to Bob Hayes.

 

[Elzio Dennick]

If we're talking 100 meter, it would most likely be
Randall Cunningham or Terrell Pryor who both ran 10.4 in the 100m in HS.
RG3, who had a personal best of 46.9 in the 400m in college, was probably in that neighborhood. Most of those listed aren't in the same universe as that type of top end speed.




Rod Woodson was a world class guy in the 110 hurdles and ran a 20.9 in the 200m. He was definitely faster than some of these guys, but it's a good list.




Bo only ran a legit non-wind aided 10.44 in the 100m. That is spectacular considering he was 223lbs when he did it, but he wasn't as fast as guy like Jamal Charles, Herschel walker or OJ who all had better official collegiate times. Hershel was also in the 220lb range. Then you have guys like Eric Dickerson (10.3), Reggie Bush (10.42) and Adrian Peterson(10.26), who had amazing prep times. The problem with running backs is that they're all blown up from lifting. It's hard to say what a Guy like Dickerson, Bush or Peterson would have ran in college after packing on 15lbs of muscle. My guess is that they would not have improved their times. It's one of the reason's you don't see a lot of running backs that run track as well as play football in college like you do receivers or defensive backs.

Show me a 10.4 for either Cunningham or Pryor, I have never seen one.

Bush, Dickerson don't belong and have never seen anything official about Petersons times so...???

 

[Elzio Dennick]

Then why do the NFL choose to measure the 40 yard time, it must be relevant for some reason?

I don't know about that in the 200m. Eirryon Knighton has already broken Bolts U20 record in the 200m at 17 years old. He certainly has the potential if he keeps improving.

Who runs more than 40 yards? But if you want the true measure of a guys speed it has to be the 100m.

No Knighton doesn't have the potential because he will never have the stride or speed endurance to run sub 19.20.

 

[Elzio Dennick]

People said that about Michael Johnson's 400m record, but then van Niekerk obliterated it. I feel like a record should stand for at least 20 years before we talk about unbreakability.

Of the major men's athletics world records, the longest standing are...

1. Discus (1986)
   
2. Hammer (1986)
   
3. Long Jump (1991)
   
4. High Jump (1993)
   
5. 4x400m relay (1993)
   
6. Triple Jump (1995)
   
7. Javelin (1996)
   
8. 1500m (1998)
9. 3000m steeplechase (2004)
10. 100m (2009)
11. 200m (2009)
12. 800m (2012)
13. 4x100m relay (2012)
14. 110m hurdles (2012)

Nobody who knows track thought that about MJ so....???

Usain Bolt did something we just won't be seeing anymore that is train over distance for years before making an event change, that just doesn't happen. Training as a 200m sprinter he built a whole other level of speed endurance unseen for 100m sprinters as is his 6-5 tride that combo is unique, that is why his 100m time is so far out there,

At around 60ish meters a sprinter is hitting max, now it's all about being able to hold on to that max as long as you can, yep......speed endurance. Well Bolt took longer to hit his max, so he spent less time decellerating and he possessed superior....speed endurance and that unusual 100m stride. He is simply unique.

 

[Elzio Dennick]

Just kicking around one of my pet topics speed/NFL


The old 100 yard dash NFL

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1.Mel Gray 9.2 Cards
2.Willie McGee 9.1 Chargers WR
3.Cliff Branch 9.2 Raiders
4.Bob Hayes 9.1 Cowboys WR
5.Isacc Curtis 9.3 Bengals
6.J.D.Hill 9.3 Bills
7.Travis Williams 9.3 Packers
8.Cecil Turner 9.3 Bears

Oakland Raiders 100m

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1.Cliff Branch 9.2
2.Willie Gault 10.10
3.Jacoby Ford 10.00
4.James Jett 10.16
5.Ron Brown 10.06
6.Sam Graddy 10.09
7.James Trapp 10.14
8.Alvis Whitted 10.07

Some countries can't match that.

Trivia

When Bob Hayes was in the NFL there were two fellow NFLers who had beaten him in college, who?

NFL 110HH

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1.Willie Gault Bears
2.Rod Woodson Steelers
3.Richmond Flowers Cowboys
4.Renaldo Nehemiah Niners......his Penn Relays still talked about
5.Jabari Greer Saints
6.Jerry Tarr Broncos....top ranked in the world
7.Earl McCullouch Lions....ran on that USC world record 4x1 team with Simpson
8.Milt Campbell Browns....Olympic decathlon gold, top ranked hurdler

 

[aries]

Who runs more than 40 yards? But if you want the true measure of a guys speed it has to be the 100m.

No Knighton doesn't have the potential because he will never have the stride or speed endurance to run sub 19.20.

The thread is about the 40 yard though....

Knighton is no shorty, he is 6'3" and running faster than Bolt did at the same age. I think it's a bit early to write him off.

 

[Elzio Dennick]

The thread is about the 40 yard though....

Knighton is no shorty, he is 6'3" and running faster than Bolt did at the same age. I think it's a bit early to write him off.

Ok the 40, elite sprinters will dust "just" footballers at any distance. They train differently. Now we do have some footballers who were also track guys that is different.

Hey, if you need to think Knighton will someday run a 19.18 go for it, I don't. Keep in mind Bolt is far faster at 100m than Knighton is, that is a big deal.

9.58 and 9.58=19.16 ball park

 

[Hatorade]

Bush, Dickerson don't belong and have never seen anything official about Petersons times so...???

Why do you have Bo then?
Bush and Peterson both had verified FAT times in the 100 meter that trump Bo's official 10.44

http://theconningtower.blogspot.com/2012/12/adrian-peterson-palestine-hs-tx-2003.html

Also, Eric Dickerson ran a 9.4 in the 100 yard dash at the state meet and won a 2a state championship. They started using fully automatic timing systems at the state meet in Texas in 1977. A time of 9.4 translates to about a 10.3 in the 100m depending on the formula you use. This means Dickerson was faster in HS than Bo was in college.

 

[Hatorade]

Eric Dickerson was a 9.4 and Dorsett probably a 9.5, yep, Green was a 9.3.

He only ran the NCAA 100m one time he came in 6th with a 10.2ish, he lost to fellow footballers Willie Gault and Mike Miller. Green was nowhere remotely close to Bob Hayes.

Green had better in game speed than any of them IMO. He wasn't a pretty runner, but his acceleration in pads was jaw dropping

 

[Elzio Dennick]

Green had better in game speed than any of them IMO. He wasn't a pretty runner, but his acceleration in pads was jaw dropping

Nobody is talking about ......in game speed....this is about what they ran on a track, ok? Green ran a 10.08 but was actually just a 10.20 guy who got waxed at the NCAA's. He did nothing in track to speak of. Bob Hayes was an 11 time world record holder in the 60, 100, 200 and an Olympic gold medalist, a whole other level of jets than Darrel Green.

 

[Elzio Dennick]

Why do you have Bo then?
Bush and Peterson both had verified FAT times in the 100 meter that trump Bo's official 10.44

http://theconningtower.blogspot.com/2012/12/adrian-peterson-palestine-hs-tx-2003.html

Also, Eric Dickerson ran a 9.4 in the 100 yard dash at the state meet and won a 2a state championship. They started using fully automatic timing systems at the state meet in Texas in 1977. A time of 9.4 translates to about a 10.3 in the 100m depending on the formula you use. This means Dickerson was faster in HS than Bo was in college.

Some times just knowing a sport has to come into play, having seen and competed in this stuff for as long as I have I no doubts Bo Jackson was faster than Dickerson, Bush, Peterson. Having seen all them play many times backs that up.

None of those guys did much in track, Dickerson/Bush/Peterson just high school, where timing is...?

 

[Elzio Dennick]

That All White USA 100

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1.Devin Quinn 10.00 Illinois
2.Kevin Little 10.13 Drake
3.Matthew Boling 10.11 Georgia..............first sub10.00????
4.Bobby Morrow 1956 Olympic gold ACU
5.Dave Sime 1960 Olympic silver Duke...grandpa of Christian McCaffrey
6.Hal Davis Cal...fastest man in the early 40's, no Olympics
7.John Teeters 10.00 Oklahoma State
8.Lindy Remigino Manhatten 1952 Olympic gold

NFL

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1.Tim Dwight Falcons
2.Billl Groman Oilers
3.Lance Alworth Chargers
4.Don Maynard Jets
5.Don Hutson Packers
6.Don Beebe Bills
7.Roger Carr Colts
8.Sonny Randle Cards